Yes I think he has but we had our chance to have a mass clear out of all the deadwood. The likes of wello, Meli, Ade, Howarth, TP, Perry, Laffranchi could all have been shipped out.

We would then have cap and quota places to replace them. Lets be honest, even the average of Aussie/kiwi props would give us more than Laffranchi, Perry and TP.

And Laffranchi

He's awful. I can't put in words how poor this guy is. How can the club keep him?

Totally agree we get rid of the drain that is Flannery running good lines etc etc etc then we get the drain that is Laffranchi running the good lines etc etc etc we are being taken for mugs. Where have all the Haggertys and Arkwrights gone young local lads who would run through a brick wall and actually frighten the opposition.

Thompson will run thru a brick wall. He shows passion for the shirt and wants to play. If I was Luke, I would be knocking on Browns door asking how someone like Laffranchi is getting picked before me.

The pack is so weak, slow, soft we are becoming push overs down the middle.

Is Thompson injured or just not picked, couldn.t work out why an on loan player in Howarth was selected at starting second row when we have better selection options.

I think he's just not been selected.

I am a better second row starting option than Howarth and I have turned fifty. At least I carry a bit of weight, thanks to Tonys chippy.

It's an utter disgrace is what it is. Howarth is utter and Laffranchi is as useful as a glass nail. The ape has got it right over the lump in some respects, all his forwards run like there life depends on it , every drive , every tackle is 100% effort, if they slack they get dropped and replaced with a young lad who will do it. Thompson is the type of player we need in the team not some overpaid past it aussie on a jolly.

It is things like this that makes people (like myself) who stick up for the club and are positive about the future look like fools. The club just makes the same mistakes over and over again. I wouldn't put a new deal for Perry past them.

I can't wait until the club announces the supposed new contracts for Gardner, Laffranchi and Wellens, I really can't. Saints media manager is already whining on about personal abuse he's getting on the club's official Facebook page, just wait till those pearlers come out. I've always thought McManus is either very clever, in doing everything on a budget and pretending he cares, or completely oblivious and in complete denial about the state the club is in. His pre-season programme notes always make me laugh, when he talks about our superb squad and the team fit for the stadium. Hopefully he'll soon realise the customers aren't happy.

The backlash the club is going to get might hopefully make them see what a mess we're in. Season ticket renewals are going to be interesting, I wouldn't rule out a drop in the thousands given the absolute rubbish the club is dishing out every week. Re-signing the likes of Laffranchi and Wellens will convince no one that the club cares about being successful.

The fact they haven't said goodbye to Perry yet has me sweating that we ARE going to offer him a new deal.

Ive heard a horrible rumour there offering him another year.

In the hope that he will play more games than he did in the previous three.

Over the past few years I kept forming the view that player X ( insert Meli, Wellens, Flannery, Wheeler or Ade) cannot possibly be offered another deal and yet another one once is announced usually longer than touted.

This would win the prize for the biggest folly ever by country mile.

This is real public mutiny stuff. Can visualise Fans pelting him with organic muesli bars as he limps off in his next 10 minute comeback game. Wheeler getting hit by a stray one while warming up which puts him out for another sixth months.

Nothing surprises me with Saints anymore.

I don't think so. As we've got two non-fed players coming in we'll need to be losing two as well. It sounds as though TP will be one of them, so the other one will have to be either Perry or Laffranchi (Meli is exempt, so him leaving doesn't make any difference).

Josh actually fancies rebranding the catering at Langtree, introducing Aussie fare and other farmers goodies. This would open up a dual reg option with Rochdale Hornets another band of happy fans after todays result 48 0 DEFEAT away to NWC

If we re-sign this pudding, I think I will follow Swinton Lions.

So you think it's acceptable for people to write personal abuse about an employee at the club who is just doing his job? No doubt that you're one of them.

Does this mean that we won't have to see the drivel that you put on this forum everytime we come on here? When you go to watch the Lions, can you take Saddened with you? Cheers.

I'd much rather have their 'drivel' on here than the sanctimonious attitude of some other posters.

I never said that and no, it wasn't me. Might well be if he tries to wrap the Wellens and Laffranchi contract extensions into some big long blurb about their ability, I just wouldn't be able to handle that.

Has the laffranchi extension been officially announced by anyone other than Boof himself?

Nope.

No, Saints media manager is no doubt hoping we beat Wigan, so he can slip it onto the website underneath the victorious match report, in the hope no one notices and those that do are so made up with the derby win that they don't react.

If that's his strategy then my sympathies go out to him!