Gardner has been excellent this year so far. His work from around the ruck and more importantly returning kicks has been first rate. More of the same please.

I'd be happy with Gardner and Foster as our starting wingers next year as long as the current form is maintained. If Meli can come back well at centre then he or Wheeler could fill that gap next year too.

To be fair, his strength of finishing has always been good and he's never been shy of work. However, in 2006, he was absolutely superb under the high ball, so much so that not only was he flawless in defence, we turned it into a threat in attack. Somewhere along the lines he's got the wobbles and lost that, if he could get it back, he'll probably extend his saints stay.

He's been pretty solid so far this year. I think we're seeing signs of the old Gardner. He seems to have lost a bit of weight and that half of yard of pace is back. His work rate has upped considerably this year and that's good to see.

Improved he might be but he still looks like he's towing a caravan when he makes a break.

But he makes breaks. That's the important bit.

Is it just me then who thinks that Gardener is an average player playing average rugby ? if Ryan Hall/Tom Briscoe played in the same way that he has been doing you would think they was having a quiet period.

No i think he's average as well, he's having a decent season by his own low standards, coincidentally just as has contract is up for renewal

Correct

Ade puts/brings far more into a game than Hall / Briscoe. He has finally regained his confidence and that can only be good for us. Why pull him to pieces? For everyone that calls him there is always one that defends him. Being a winger these days isn't just about having speed to run down the touchline. If our coach is impressed with him then that will do for me.

Only when he has Kit-Kats

Totally agree.

I don't think people are pulling ade apart. Everyone saying how well he's been this year but we've got a good young player in foster who is more than capable of taking the wing spot if we don't offer ade a new deal.

I think foster is a better all round player than ade. He's faster, safer under the high ball, full of confidence and is also a kicking machine.

Next year it's possible we will lose jammer, Tony p, pryce, flannery and eastmond is gone. So in effect we need to sign two good props as Tony p and jammer are near impossible to replace, we need a backrow to replace flannery and maybe a halfback.

Ade will be on good screw so why not use his wage towards some top class players while he's already replaced by a younger better points machine.

I don't understand your point St Pete we need 2 wingers, so it's not a choice between Gardner and Foster.

Where is meli playing next year?

If you say centre, then where is wheeler playing next year?

Because he brings very little in attack and his positioning and trust in his inside man is consistantly shocking in defence yet people like Meli get slated for one bad decision. I just think hes highly over rated. What does he bring to the game that Hall/Briscoe doesn't?

Yeah, right. That would be the guy who saved a try under intense pressure at the end of today's match. Sure, he is consistently shocking in defence.

That would also be the guy who needlessly come inside twice and Wigan walked in down that side. He does it most matches.

Had Gardner not missed two key tackles earlier on Wigan may well have been 12 points further back. Gardner's defence stank the place out today. Very poor (aside from the last minute tap-back). Foster made him look like a relic.

Great game from Ovalballs again. He's a star in the making.

Ok. Wello dropping a ball on his way to the tryline was a disgrace. Jammer throwing that stupid offload early on was awful. Meli giving away two penalties, one which led to that try that never should have been, was a disgrace. Lomax kicking a grubber when he should have gone long and high, stupid. Shenton not covering the ball in the tackle in the dying minutes. LMS dropping a ball under the sticks from Roby, Scott Moore switched off enabling whatsisface to get that final try ...

Stop scapegoating him. The whole team was a bit off throughout the match at various times. Not helped by having the god knows how many version of a halfback pairing or half the team playing injured or missing. Not helped by a try being awarded to Wigan that never should have been.

We played our hearts out and our bollox off against all the odds and came up just one minute short. I'm blaming no-one for that loss and criticising no-one for it either. I just hope we can field a team on Monday because God knows where we are going to get players from.

Gardner is cack. Foster is class

Ade's been good so far this season, but today he was dire in defence. At least twice he came in when he didn't need to, and Wigan scored from it.

Not read the whole thread, as I thought this was a thread about how good this kid is and wanted to add my agreement. Hope it's not true about the Union interest as, in my opinion, he would be a much bigger loss to our game than Eastmond.

Him and Lomax are a pair of cracking players, they need to be in the England RL squad ripping it up.