For me the problem last night
wasn't the fact we lost
wasn't the fact we have injuries
wasn't the fact that we were playing a supposedly weaker team
wasn't the fact we had lots of rookies in the team
it was the fact that as a collective the Saints team didn't show that they care, I saw very few players getting angry or frustrated. I want any player that puts on the red vee to give everything they can. If they are playing crap or brilliant that's all I ask (I am happy to leave the picking of players on performance or need to the coach) just show me that you care that we are losing (or winning) and you want to do something about it. I expect this type of attitude from players at all Rugby teams - for me it is one of the great differentiators between Rugby and Wendyball.

Last night I didn't see anything like enough examples of this I don't give 2 s what the reason is behind this, if its the coaches fault then get his boss to read him the riot act. If its the players playing at silly buggers then they need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask if that is the attitude of a man or a child.

Whatever the reason Saints get it sorted or you will be in danger of damaging this club - perhaps irrevocably.

You cannot let the inmates run the asylum. Regardless of how good the player is, you have to look at the bigger picture.
If you have a garden full of weeds, you don't throw the grass out and keep the weeds.

And stick one of the biggest weeds in a plant pot and pretend it is a sunflower.

KC is supposed to be coaching the forwards. He appears to be failing, with one or two exceptions. I don't know whether he still has his assistant conditioner responsibilities.

If he,s coaching the forwards then he,s responsible for making them soft ed and weak the exact opposite of what he was capable of.
Every seasoned forward has gone backwards with the exception of Sia.

Isn't it? Performance doesn't seem to dictate anything at Saints. I'm sure LMS, for example, could continue with his low tackle but high penalty count every match for the full season and never be dropped even if we had a dozen better young props ready and raring to go.

Well that's true.

i'd send perry, lafaranchi and lance to rochdale or even cumbrian for a couple of months, let them get mardy and quit

I wonder if there is still talk about offering LMS an improved contract.

I bloody hope not. Contracts should be earned. In fact I take it back , we should give him a contract that has a built in 'stupid penalty clause' that means he gets fined £500 for every stupid penalty he gives away.

We'd probably make more off LMS than we would of gate receipts at the rate both are going.

He'd be skint by next weekend!

Amazing to think how people can say they want KC to coach the team when if he is coaching the forwards he cant even make that work.

Can't do one thing right? Ah give him the lot, he'll be fine.

Mental.

I do wonder if we are too clingy to the old guard.

For a team that needs fresh ideas having so many old heads knocking about, does concern me. It's one thing to be a great player, another to be a great coach.

Quite, KC is clearly not doing a great job with our forwards.
I still think we should send Perry, Lafranchi and Lance to rochdale till they decide they want to play for us

Wellens in discussion with EMcM regarding a coaching position also. It won't be as sprint coach.

It's difficult for any new ideas to propagate in the midst of an old boys association.

Potter , Royce and now Brown are finding that.

Doesn't sound like anything is going to change in the near future then either.

Yet Long, who's turned nt a decent coach, hot away for us

it is pretty embarrassing no matter what injuries we have surely we shouldnt be getting beaten by the likes of hkr widnes and london. cant ever remember a time going to every game not expecting us to win. I dont think were going to make the playoffs this season.

Yep, of all the past legends Longy was deemed to be the better bet as a potential superleague coach.
Maybe he gets in trouble with the Wigoons tries his hand at Widnes then Saints sign him up.

I can see it now:

Paul Wellens; Goal kicking coach, speed coach
Francis Meli; Backs coach
Josh Perry; Forwards Coach
Tony Puletua; Halfbacks Coach
Gary Wheeler; Fitness and Conditioning

TeeHee!

You forgot head of discipline. LMS

You sound exactly like me when Bulls lost at home to Warrington under McTomato - total humiliation and no effort. I did cut up my season ticket and did not return until Hood and co disappeared. Unfortunately - as history showed - the damage was deep and long lasting. At least 3000 others did the same and like me - find other things to do - but rarely go back. This represents a huge revenue loss to a club and leads to a cycle of decline as quality players cost money to retain and attract.

Would not wish this on any fan - as we have no control or influence on any of it. You have three choices - turn up, pay up and shout, don't turn up and quit - or invest all your money and become a director.. Not good eh?

Must admit - I never expected to see this stuff happening at Saints - you can only hope you have a better Captain than Bulls did!