If he's carrying an injury that requires surgery it makes his end of season performances even more phenominal

No Saints players in but Sarginson has managed to in...

George Burgess, South Sydney Rabbitohs, Dewsbury Moor
Joe Burgess, Wigan Warriors, Ince Rose Bridge
Tom Burgess, South Sydney Rabbitohs, Dewsbury Moor
Josh Charnley, Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Patricks
Daryl Clark, Castleford Tigers, Newsome Panthers
Mike Cooper, St George Illawarra Dragons, Latchford Albion
Liam Farrell, Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Patricks
Brett Ferres, Huddersfield Giants, Smawthorne Panthers
James Graham, Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs, Blackbrook
Ryan Hall, Leeds Rhinos, Oulton Raiders
Zak Hardaker, Leeds Rhinos, Featherstone Lions
Chris Hill, Warrington Wolves, New Spring Lions
Josh Hodgson, Hull KR, East Hull
Sean O’Loughlin (captain), Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Patricks
Stefan Ratchford, Warrington Wolves, Wigan St Patricks
Dan Sarginson, Wigan Warriors, Hemel Stags
Michael Shenton, Castleford Tigers, Upton
Matty Smith, Wigan Warriors, Blackbrook
Joel Tomkins, Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Patricks
Sam Tomkins, New Zealand Warriors, Wigan St Patricks
Kallum Watkins, Leeds Rhinos, Latchford Albion
Joe Westerman, Hull FC, Featherstone Lions
Elliott Whitehead, Catalans Dragons, West Bowling
Gareth Widdop, St George Illawarra Dragons, King Cross

James Roby is out due to needing surgery.

Not sure how Joe Burgess has been picked over Tommy, good player but not ready for international just yet whereas Tommy has earned his chance this year.

Joel Tomkins plays which is reasonable but risky due to the short time he's been back.

Mike Cooper has been decent this year but I think others deserve a spot ahead of him.

Dan Sarginson? WTF

Pretty shocked that Joel Tomkins made it. How many games has he played?

I wouldn't pick Tommy for England to be honest, I don't think he's international class.

Canetrbury Bulldogs

James Graham

New Zealand Warriors

Sam Tomkins

South Sydney Rabbitohs

George Burgess
Tom Burgess

St George Illawara

Gareth Widdop
Mike Cooper

Castleford Tigers

Daryl Clark
Michael Shenton

Catalans Dragons

Elliot Whitehead

Hull FC

Joe Westerman

Hull KR

Josh Hodgson

Huddersfield Giants

Brett Ferres

Leeds Rhinos

Ryan Hall
Zak Hardaker
Kallum Watkins

Warrington Wolves

Chris Hill
Stefan Ratchford

Wigan Warriors

Joe Burgess
Josh Charnley
Liam Farrell
Sean O'Loughlin (C)
Dan Sarginson
Matty Smith
Joel Tomkins

Full Backs

Sam Tomkins
Zak Hardaker

Wingers

Ryan Hall
Josh Charnley
Joe Burgess

Centres

Kallum Watkins
Michael Shenton
Dan Sarginson

Halves

Matty Smith
Gareth Widdop
Stefan Ratchford

Hookers

Daryl Clark
Josh Hodgson

Props

Tom Burgess
George Burgess
James Graham
Mike Cooper
Chris Hill

Back Rowers

Elliot Whitehead
Joe Westerman
Brett Ferres
Sean O'Loughlin (C)
Liam Farrell
Joel Tomkins

Some very unusual choices. Cooper, Joel, Burgess and Sarginson being the more comical ones. How would people see England line up then?

My concern is who is going to kick the goals? Those in that squad who can kick don't look like being first choice in their position, apart from perhaps Matty Smith and he's been very hit and miss this season.

Hasn't Matty smith kicked most goals this year?

I think so, but he has also missed the most. Think he averages just under 70%. Apparently Widdop kicked for the Dragons this season so he will be an option I guess

Widdop is a pretty handy kicker from what I've seen, think he hits about 75-80% off the top of my head.

Smith isn't good enough to be England's goal kicker sadly. He's kicked the most goals because he's playing in a side that scores a lot of try's.

Gareth Widdop will kick the goals. If he's not playing I'd get Ratchford in the side.

Widdop was the main kicker this year but only averaged around 66% according to this stats.rleague.com/rl/scorers/pla ... iddop.html

Widdop was the main kicker this year but only averaged around 66% according to this stats.rleague.com/rl/scorers/pla ... iddop.html

Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"Widdop was the main kicker this year but only averaged around 66% according to this stats.rleague.com/rl/scorers/pla ... iddop.html'" Jeez, last thing we need. We need all the 2's we can get!

Quote ="Eastbourne Warrior"Widdop was the main kicker this year but only averaged around 66% according to this stats.rleague.com/rl/scorers/pla ... iddop.html'" Jeez, last thing we need. We need all the 2's we can get!

McBanana is a bloody useless, clueless, incompetent fool. How he is in a job is beyond me. Doubt Wigan are happy having 7 players in the squad, you can expect wigan to start slowly next season! No place for Makinson is frankly outrageous as well.
its good for the saints club that we have no players represented, as our players will get a longer rest and better preseason , but for England to have no players from the team that finished top and are in the GF is bizarre at best

Surely you can see that both are false positions for Saints? We finished top simply because Leeds, Warrington and Wigan were all very cocky about their ability to win Play Off games to reach OT and their attempts to play the system to give them the best chance of going into the GF with fuel left in the tank.

Who at Saints deserves to be included? Roby would be in, but he's not fit. Makinson was probably in with a shout but it's hard to argue that he's better than Burgess or Hall. Walmsley is another in with a shout, but he disappears completely in the big games. No one else is remotely close IMO.

Who would you have had in the squad?

I agree, I dont think I'd have picked any saints players at all. Maybe walmsley but nobody else that's for sure.

When you have seven overseas players in your squad it does limit the opportunities though.

Me being selfish i'm glad no Saints are in the squad as we'll get a good pre-season under our belt and start strong like this year until our injury curse kicks in again.

Tommy Makinson should have been in the squad though but can't argue with Hall & Charnley as starting wingers.

Is Tommy better than Burgees ? both been good this season.

I'm the same. No players extending their season by a month and the additional travel to the other side of the world means a better pre-season for us.

With us needing to finish top 4 next year, a good start is important. Therefore I'm not fussed at all about having nobody in the England squad.

kyle Amor should have been in but its not as if we are short of props either.

People moaning about Burgess not being good enough are nuts but he won't start anyway and Sarginson has largely been great this season just look at his game against warrington plus he was the knights stand out player along with powell last season.

But i would imagine Burgess, Tomkins and Sarginson are in the squad to become comfortable in that environment and not to play.

Tomkins shouldn't be anywhere near. He's done nothing since he came back.

His defence has been o.k. but there is no way his overall form has warranted selection. Bateman would have been more deserving than him IMO, but I'm glad he's not going as he does need a rest and a good pre-season.

Personally I would have gone with Ablett.

I said the same on the FC board. Ludicrous that Makinson (especially) LMS and Walmsley aren't in there. Burgess is one for the future, but not sure about Cooper, Sarginson or Joel T.