Arrogance is only inherited though success.

Even tho the kiwis was pretty poor last night, especially in the first half, they have some very good players and if they turn it on like we know they can in tue latter part of the comp they will be not far off another cup.

The turn around in kiwi rugby is amazing. They had many injuries and few banned for last night and the whole comp but the depth in quality these days is very good.

The warriors in the NRL has been great success at both club and international level.

The young fullback Kevin locke has ripped it up in the NRL this year and will become world class. Nightingale (sp) on the wing has also ripped it up again this year and must be one of the best wingers in the world.

Adam Blair and packer will be back for the England game and thst will be huge boost for the kiwis as Blair is world class. Add the Blair to a already strong pack with the likes of sika Manu, matulino, moi moi, luke, mannering, Hargreaves and jeremy smith and thst is a awesome pack!


I thought the kiwi halves was poor last night, marshall didn't get involved enough and didn't bring the flair that the Aussies fear.

when was the last time madge moaned? first interview royce did was moan about how quick the ref wants the play of the ball,

no they play to the rules and are the best team in the world for it.

most teams are guilty of be offside.

It was great hardly any scouting to make the only break.

how can you tell by watching in a stand or tv if some one is arrogant.

I hope they are it would be great for england rugby league as union just showed there bankers

The worse thing tonight was stevo and eddie constant moaning (gus and fatty are comedians) about the ref and the ruck and you could hear the speccies moaning well guess what everyone counts auss as the best team in the world and we should raise are game to theres, well dont start moaning when or if it does ever happen.

do any of you watch Nrl or origin? if you do i dont know why you was so surprised to see it being so slow at play of the ball.

One of the reasons the Aussies and Kiwis produce better halfbacks than we do is that their game is not dominated by the one dimensional dummy half scoots that Stevo loves. They also have hookers who can pass a ball and kick effectively from dummy half. Cameron Smith was m.o.m. by a mile last night for the way he controlled that game.

completely agree, but saints fans wont be happy because before saints found out that johnny lomax wasn't a full back at orrell st james's and was actually a half back and the best one in hes age in the country at it was there biggest way of attacking and you just have to look at james robys running stat's

Well the coaches of Australia and N Zealand thought the officiating was cr@p but youll know better no doubt.
Cameron Smith was one of the worst offenders at the play ball. Does stepping off the mark to gain an illegal advantage ring any bells with you?
Your barely disguised dig at one of this countries best players Is getting very boring,troll on.

It's nothing to do with any one player. It's about our (as a game) over reliance on dummy half running, and the fact that as a consequence we do not produce halfbacks who can control a game. I was making the same observations years ago when Mickey Higham was Wigan.

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Tim Sheens complained at the slowness of the play the ball. I guess it was ok when Oz were lying on, but not when the Kiwi's did it.Having said that I feel that England have a long way to go to match these teams (Hope I'm wrong.







































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There's two arguments to what you say regards slow and quick ptb's.

A slow ptb means like you say, the HB's have to be more creative, you have to pass around a team rather than scoot through but the game sometimes looks a little laboured and too structured and it comes down to who executes their x and y plays the best.

A quick ptb means the defence have to be well drilled, concentrate and most of all, need the fitness of a husky. It's up to the defence to stop the scooting by actually not being lazy, when wire played saints we were not laying on in the tackle yet we were prepared for Roby and his scoots, that's why Lomax and Gaskell were prominent in those games. You can still have quick ptb and neutralize a scooting hooker.

id agree if ref's didn't penalise the markers if the tackled player moved away from hes mark then it would take away a huge advantage of doing it not just say to the tackled player well your shortening the ten meters(bentham said this clear as day light last night). id say you would need to be more fitter and more drilled with the wrestle as you need more players in the tackles and its more draining wrestling than just back pedeling ten meters. scouting just gets very repetative and boring put back moves together or offloading is more prittier to my eye.

I struggled with that one bud. The oxygen to my brain got cut off by my inability to breath reading it

I must say in regards to Cameron Smith. The accuracy and sweetness of his passes are unreal. Every pass delivered exactly at the right height and pace for the player to run onto. But for me it's his timing of when to hold or when to pass that makes him the player he is. Just a real smart cookie at dummy half. He's certainly the best passer of a ball I've seen for a long time. He never looks flustered or under pressure either. Comes across as a real nonchalant character to me.

As for NZ I thought the two starting props McKendry and Matulino were superb.

Matulino and Mckendery are two very good props. Add Blair and packer to thst pack with like Hargreaves, smith, luke, mannering, sika Manu and lulu and moi moi and it's a very tough pack.

It does help having options around the ruck for him which is something we don't do over here. There was a huge difference in the way the Aussies and Kiwis hung around the ruck area and supported the play. Often the Kiwis would be like Saints with just on guy running up whilst the others did nothing. The Aussies though would support the player by having four to five players who were mingling around the runner. I'm not talking about running at full speed with him in the same way that Allan Hunte used to try and do that "You should have passed it to me" showboating stuff. I mean, just jogging with the ball carrier and having a general greater awareness of what was going on. You can't buy that sort of intelligence, it has to be coached in because it's game culture.

It's just having the ability to follow the ball and gambling there is going to be a break then getting yourself set up for the next play once the man is tackled, unlike our men who are setting their positions for tackle 2 before tackle one has been completed.

Yes!

Didn't take long to bite did it?

If you listen to his interview Sheens was moaning about the slow PTB but in his arrogance failed to see that Aus were more guilty of slowing play down than NZ.

Personally I thought the ruck area was a complete mess and a big tern off for spectators. The ruck was congested and it was not helped by Bentham letting both teams (although IMO the australians were the worst offenders) get away with not clearing the ruck and not getting back onside on the apparent basis that "they were not interfering with the play" (reminds me of what a certain Brain Clough said about the subject in a different sport ).

Aren't players supposed to release and get out of the way?
Aren't player supposed to not blatantly move off the mark? (e.g. C Smith)

Its just so alien to the way the game is played in this country and I don't think its an improvement.

I think the NZ ref today played it a bit more like we are used to and would certainly not have let either team last night get away with their deliberate slow play tactics. Perhaps Bentham was a bit in thrall of them.

Any chance of having that in English? I tried Google translate but it struggled as well.

well on the osn channel they cut the it off just after the game usually so didn't get to listen... but yeah i couldn't resist a quick go haha

i will get a full report to you tomorrow, sorry that my auto correction on this laptop doesn't work but i am guessing your's does?

Should be a warning when joining this website do not make grammer mistakes or

will occur haha

was at the game on Friday so i've edited the post correctly I would certainly ask Ben Westwood to put his early bird hit on Cameron Smith.

when I saw the title I expected it to be about the most boring unadventurous brand of Rugby known to man. The Aussies simply do not pass the ball in their own half Sam Thaiday offloaded once on the 40 mtr line and and Big keith Galloway did it once on the 45mtrs other than that its a drive one out from Cameron smith or if they get giddy and the markers chase the drive may come two out off lockyer. other than that absolutely no Rugby League played in their own half.

I was extremely dissapointed this is a far cry from the Tim Sheens coached West Tigers who play a great brand of rugby League..

I'd half come along just to watch Darren Lockyer yet he just put a couple of last tackle downtowns in and nothing else....

Could the very slow PTB be in part because a SL ref was asked to try to apply the more lenient NRL version of the rules and probably went a bit too far due to lack of experience? Perhaps he'll find the sweet mid-range point next time? Or should he just say 'sod this, I'm reffing SL-style'?

Try not reading out loud ,that way you can read and breathe