Farrel and Mossop look like they could turn out to be very good players, but i've never seen Tuson do much, when i've watched Wigan (albeit mostly on Telly).

Wilkin is better than Hansen, no doubt about that in my mind. Also, Tomkins is a difficult one, he started the season like a house on fire and looked very good but then i think he started to slump a little bit, and started to do some silly things, like the kicking out incident. He needs to cut them out of his game if he's to become the player he can. At the minute, i'd say Wilkin is a better all round player than Tomkins.

As others have said, Wigan might have plenty of options but they don't have too many players in the pack that put fear into the opposition i don't think.

Pull the other one. Wilkin ain't a patch on Joel.

Good way to back up your post. The stats aren't even massively in Tomkins favour, considering Tomkins has played a lot more games than Wilkin. They are also very different types of players.

Joel Tomkins was very good for Wigan for the first half of the season, second half of the season though, i've not been overly impressed with him, he does some pretty stupid things, and i think he's trying to hard to be the 'hard man'. Cut that out of his game and he has a lot of potential, but he is by no means the finished article.

This year Wilkin's been pretty bloody average, you'd much rather have Tomkins. The Wilkin of a couple of years ago you may have an argument for, but not at the moment imo.

He's been injured for half the season. I rate Wilkin and i think he does an awful lot more than what people give him credit for. He has also played a fair few games out of position this season, which means he's not played many games this season in his actual position, so it's difficult to judge Wilkin on this season.

I agree, Farrell looks to be a very good player but it's early days and he's only had one season in super league. Teams will no more about him next year and most young players suffer in the 2nd season but i think he will be a good player( i'll give you that one)

Mossop looks hit and miss to me, he looked very good at hudds and on his return to wigan looked good early on but then was hit and miss. He also seems to struggle with injuries.

Tuson is average and will be knocking around lower super league side over the next few years.

Dixon has had a very good season imo, i don't think he will be a world beater but he looks solid enough.

Ashurst, i couldn't see what all the fuss was as i didn't see what he could bring to the side but before he got injured he was showing signs of a good wide running 2nd row but im still unsure.

Magennis looks good, he has something to his game with his off loads, he don't just want to make the numbers up but wants to make a impact but i think his injuries over the last two years will prevent him being the star he could have been.

I was not saying that Wigan avoided a forward battle because they were scared/overpowered etc etc. They just knew that they had a big advantage elsewhere. The evidence is where Wigan scored their tries Gleeson 2 (centre), Goulding (wing), Tomkins (running at Flannery in the centres) plus the two disallowed tries Farrell and Leuleui were scored running at the Centres.

A victory for good coaching and a game plan if ever there was one.

I agree with this. I also think his upturn in form coincided with his physique maturing quite alot. i thought he looked a bit weedy for a backrower at first, but he's put a bit of weight on and all of a sudden has a good althetic frame.

We haven't seen a lot of Mcgennis, but the little we have has been impressive. He fell behind Ashurst and Dixon due to injury as (we're informed) he was always the most promising youngster. Now there's a new coach and all the players have a reletively clean slate, we may see a lot more of him.

Wigan
Saints
Warrington
Huddersfield

Wigan/Saints
Saints/Wigan
Leeds/Hudds
Hudds/Leeds/Wire
Wire/Hull KR

Saints
Wigan
Wire
Leeds
Huddersfield

in any order depending on injuries as the season progresses.

Wigan
Wire
Saints
Hudds/Leeds

Saints, Wigan, Warrington and Leeds are still ahead of everbody. Saints and Leeds have barely got any international representatives for a change this year so I think we'll end up being fresher next year which coud boost both of us and may see a reduction in injuries and an improvement in form.

Huddersfield will be there or thereabouts though, keeping Nathan Brown is a big boost for them and they've got a good competitive squad.

That's pretty much it for me too. If Rovers can keep Mason fit and get something out of him then they could push themselves into the four but at the moment I see it as...

Wigoon
Saints
Leeds
Wire
Rovers/Giants

I have a question mark over Wire's pack and specifically if they can get another good year out of Morley. Harrison has definitely come on so perhaps he can take up some of the slack that Morley's advancing years will generate. Their back row isn't as strong as any of the other big guns which again adds question marks because us and Wigoon have bulked up. Tony Smith will keep them in it though.

HKR have big Willie coming in, but Hudds are also adding Luke O'Donnell to their pack, so they're going to be more than a handful.

How much further up the table do we think Bradford are going to finish? They've recruited heavily despite losing Menzies (and prob Orford) and Potter's a coach who can get results in the league.

I think Warrington have a very strong pack. Morley's showing no signs of slowing down. Their back row in particular looks good to me - Westwood, Harrison, L Anderson with Solomona coming off the bench is nothing to sneeze at.

They've still got mid-table personnel, IMO.

Which would be a slight improvement for them. If I'm correct, they've got a whole new 3/4 line and a decent set of forwards, but if they don't sort out their half back situation it could really bite them. I think they'll be in the play offs, though.

Going back to Morley, he looks prety good to me. Doesn't seem to be slowing down and looks in great nick. I'm looking forward to the internationals so he's playing for the team I'm shouting for.

I think Bradford will be looking at a 6-8 finish myself, Potter will have them competing well enough to do that IMO.

As for Hudds, I thought the Brough signing was a decent one for them, but thought his introduction half way through the season disrupted them for a while. A full pre season with him in the team getting their moves worked out will benefit them, as will a number of players going over for the Four Nations.

I'm younger and slimmer than Solomona son.

are we giving predictions for the top 4 RUNNERS UP?

How did you come by that figure? All those who have booked seats etc for the new stadium will have season tickets for next year at Widnes. We have sold far more than 4,000 in that area. Plus the ones who have not ordered season tickets

1. Wigan
2. St Helens
3. Huddersfield
4. Warrington
5. Leeds
6. Hull KR
7. Hull
8. Salford

Is this the same Wilkin that made a break from a dropped ball in the Grand Final and Coley jogged back to catch him up and bring him down?

that's the one, but he had a good game against leeds in 2007