Tell Harry that................

If he posts on here we'll be sure to.

Thats right, blame the younger people.



Frankly you make out like we should all be walking around in bowler hats with pockeches and saying things like "Oh Joly good game sir." and agreeing with every single post and have no animosity between the fans.

It's obviously going to happen and always does between rivals on the forums. Frankly if things get excessive then delete them and warn or ban people. Thats your job, do it and stop moaning.

I would happily use Leeds supporters as target practice for the military.

Maybe build a wall around the place and don't let anyone in or out ?

Test nuclear weapons on them ?

The possibilities are endless really.

Conroy actually makes a good point for a change. I need a lie down!

I didn't actually blame the younger people did I? I [uquestioned [/uwhether it was generation thing as, whilst i still consider myself young at 28, it seems to be the new and seemingly younger posters in general that get involved in the petty arguements.

I clearly state i'm up for banter as much as the next person but i just think there's a difference between banter and abuse. I know i'm not alone in that. I would just like to see a bit more intelligent discussion and debate on here rather than a verbal 'flop-contest' between two opposing fans who argue "my player is harder than yours" after every game. It's one of the reason so many of the original posters from this forum have never returned since the departure of redvee (where i see you still aren't much liked).

oh and

Wise beyond your years!

28? Yeah....

kids today

I know full well what the insinuation was. It was that the younger members haven't been around for the days when we were poor, are all glory hunters and are all arrogant and expect us to win?

Otherwise what "generation thing" are you refering to. Be more specific?



I'm sure i can find plently of older members who get involved in the petty arguments.



Banter is banter.

If there is abuse then you as a moderator should remove it assuming it is against the AUP. The boards would soon clean up if you banned people/deleted threads/edited posts' that were as such.



I couldn't give a toss whether i am liked or not. I have friends of my own, i don't need to make virtual friends. On redvee and on here i post what i honestly believe. If people don't like it then tough i don't care. I'm equally going to argue and defend my point as far as is possible. As far as i'm aware i haven't broken the AUP on either site.

I'm all for intelligent debate and diversity of opinions but, from first hand experience, it seems like if you post an opinion that most people don't agree with then you are instantly lambasted and bemoaned. Now i really don't care what people say or think of me but i'm sure that puts people off from posting who have that alternative view. Infact i know this to be a fact.

What he said......

After meeting and spending time with Leeds fans, they are a very enjoyable bunch of people.

I do admit to having a jealousy for Leeds winning the last two GF's but not enough to slag them off. Gloating for me at the moment isn't right to use, they are the best team right now and we arent.

Do you really think so? Difficult to argue with back-to-back Grand Final wins I know, but we have just given them a decent beating. And did so in their championship seasons, when we finished top and won the cup both times.

I don't think you can easily pick between the two teams tbh.

They have a much, much stronger squad and have been better managed than we have. A lot of people worship the board at Saints, but whilst they have done a good job off the field, the squad development has plummeted. We haven't recruited nearly as well as we could have done and we have weaknesses in almost every area, with no senior professionals as back up at all, only sparrow legged kids. Leeds could rest all 13 of their starting players and would still beat the majority of the sides in Super League.

You might win the Premiership with kids, but not Super League.

almost all of that it rubbish. You clearly prefer to buy talent, instead of developing it, you should be a wigan or wire fan with that attitude. Considering leeds reserves are rock bottom of the league, i dont think they could rest all 13 starters, while ours are again top of the league.

That is because the Majority of the reserve team are around 18 years old. Although when they played against the likes of Salford and Wakey in pre season they were just as good and the said 2 had strong teams playing. What Leeds do have though are about 8 or 9 players who can step into an injured position without really taking much away from the team. We did miss Kirke and Lauitiiti against you though for go forward.

Im on St Tys side here though. Nothing wrong with banter but its gets too excessive someimes and well, just plain boring. I dont want to look at a 40 page thread on SS about Bailey or come on here and read similar. Banter is good, spouting sh[ii[/ite is not.

Ok specifically, and not wanting to sound like a Daily Mail reader, I meant about a proportion of the current generation (obviously not all) of young people who seem to have a general lack of respect for other people in society. Now it may just be me, but i was brought up to respect other people, their opinions and considerations even though, like yourself, i don't always agree with them. I try hard not to jump on the bandwagon and generally take time to formulate a decent response to posts, even if i don't always succeed.

In terms of posting on the boards I was particularly talking about the lack of respect shown by some people (including our own) to opposition teams and their fans, as has been the case this week with Leeds. They are without doubt a quality side that have been very much our equals in recent years and who undoubtably contributed to a great game of rugby last friday. There are clearly some people from both camps who will readily admit when they have been beaten by the better side, but sadly there is a very vocal number who choose to not to talk about how great a game it was or how well it was played but instead argue the toss over whether Ryan Bailey is a thug or not in at least 4 threads. I'm not suggesting we have a love-in or anything but 4 bloody threads about how hard Bailey/Graham/Maurie are?

Another example is the way, as soon as an opposition fan posts a reply on a thread here on the-entertainers - even if it is a sensible non-trolling post - they are automatically met with lazy, childish reponses like 'better than your team' or 'go back to your own board'. A prime example is Rogues, whilst a wind-up merchant at times he does have some informed views on the game and yet even these are almost immediately met with standard/carbon copy derisory anti-wigan comments simply because he's posting from over the lump and is seen by some to be 'invading' our board.

Similarly as you have stated, you are often met with derisory comments upon posting yourself. Now whilst you admit you don't care what people think of you it surely must pi$$ you off!? I don't wish to speculate on why you receive this treatment but I again put alot of it down the people jumping on the bandwagon of derision, again something i try to avoid doing in your case specifically. I've seen it happen to Saints fans on the Leeds board alot lately too.



I was always of the opinion that banter was meant to be good humoured. Maybe its just me reading things wrong?



Perhaps my initial use of the word abuse to distinguish between what i consider to be banter and what's not was incorrect but regardless of my poor choice of words unfortunately many of these derisory comments don't breach the AUP or at least my interpretation of it. That is what sometimes makes this mod lark difficult. We do try to have a relatively open board and have relatively few people banned. We don't want to be in a position where the whole board has to be regulary sterilised, lest it become like a morgue.



I'm also sure you could find plenty of older members who would get involved, I never suggested they wouldn't. I can understand why anyone would get involved tbh not least because by the sheer number of them it is hard not to get involved. What prompted my post is that when i first started coming on these boards i don't recall it being as bad as it is currently.



Me too chief. I don't just come on here to Mod, but do login because I like to keep up with what's going on in the RL community, i like the discussions about the game and yes i like the banter too. Personally I prefer to read rather than post often (mainly because i clearly have a tendency to witter on) hence my relatively low post count, but following on from Ski's OP just wanted to add that i'm finding it increasingly frustrating reading the same mind numbing arguements and trolling attemps.

Whilst i didn't intend to have to defend my original post the very fact it has led to such a detailed discussion with yourself finds me both pleased for the chance to debate my points further and yet disappoints me that some of the equally though-out posts i've made about the game of Rugby League itself haven't garnered a similar level of response of late.

Well well thats about everything said then?

whereas personally I don't agree with a lot of what Saddended is saying your point about the reserves place in the table doesn't say a lot about the players coming through other than the stage the bulk of those players are at in their careers.

Both Saints and Leeds are (and have been for a few seasons) using the academy sides as they are intended - as feeders to the first team. The best way to judge how good the youth set up in overall isn't the league positions in the reserves competition but how well these players make the step up and become regular first team players.

I agree with this, i was just making a point that we arnt as bad as he/she alludes to

It's all Wigan and Bradfords fault, I enjoy the banter and hope it continues, anyone who doesn't understand that this is just an internet forum needs help.

I Love you too

agreed, its just banter, leeds and saints have no other real rivals at the moment, so its bound to be more intense.

The pub isnt called Paris Gates, thats the name of the street / road / cobbled hill...the pub is called Shears Inn..Hmmmmmmmmm top notch it is to.

just for the record

all you lot are sound (ones ive met) and are very welcoming

No they are not.