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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"How many games have we seen Lomax play full back? There was the Wakey game, any others? Do you mean high balls, or just balls in general?'"
He started at FB against Catalans at home and he was utterly dreadful there. He could make a great FB yet, but he's too small at the moment and he needs to work on his positioning and dealing with the bomb.
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| Quote ="(Saint)"The answer is no mate, but don't expect Rogues to give any credit to Wellens.
He'll be back here with his woeful Mick Cassidy comparison. They're both just good clubmen, you know. Never stood out or won any individual awards...yep pretty average careers really. Just lucky to be in a good team. No Man of Steels, Lance Todds, Harry Sunderlands, PPOYs, no MOTM awards at international level....nothing flashy at all. Just 2 solid plodders going through the motions.'"
There was a topic on the VT recently with regard to the best "Superleague team"
80% had Radlinski at full back.
My case still stands.
Wellens great club man, but never a top International fullback.
But it's only my opinion and I'm sure even you wouldn't deny me that privilege.
Hard Wellens been playing at Wakefield, Harlequins or Warrington for example his deficiencies would have been found out long ago, but he would still have been a great club player.
Malcolm Alker is another who springs to mind, had he been with one of the more fashionable clubs he would have had International caps.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Wellens great club man, but never a top International fullback.'"
Here's some breaking news for you. GB haven't had a top international full back since I started attending on a regular basis some 25+ years ago.
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| Quote ="McClennan"Here's some breaking news for you. GB haven't had a top international full back since I started attending on a regular basis some 25+ years ago.'"
What about Phil Ford? I thought he were awesome
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| Quote ="Supersaint"What about Phil Ford? I thought he were awesome'"
What about him? I think he played at full back for GB twice lol.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"Still the best British fullback.
'" This says far more about the state of the game than it does about his ability.
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| Quote ="Supersaint"What about Phil Ford? I thought he were awesome'"
"He's a stepper, that Ford ..."
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| In 2006 and 2007, Paul Wellens was COMFORTABLY the best player in the country. Forget all the 'Barrett was robbed the MoS award' nonsense - Wellens was far superior to Barrett in 2007 and should have won it over Roby. Wello was better in 2007 than he was in 2006.
But, it seems to be since the 2007 Grand Final defeat (in which he had his worst performance of the season), he has seen his form take a hit.
In 2006 and 2007, I believe he was not only International class, but he was probably the best in the world. Australia were in a transitional period in terms of full backs - Billy Slater was just breaking into the ozzy team and only hit his untouchable form in 2008. In terms of international rugby, only Brent Webb could have been a contender, and it was only in 2008 that I believe Webb overtook Wello.
Now, in 2009, Wello is behind Webb, Hodgson, Greenshields when it comes to the best Super League full backs. He is still arguably the best in terms of defence however.
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| Quote ="MickeyMo""He's a stepper, that Ford ..."'"
He`s a rubber man
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| Quote ="rammsteinbloke"In 2006 and 2007... he was probably the best in the world. '"
No chance.
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| I seem to remember Lomax playing on the wing this year, scored a few and got M.O.M. but what i most remember was him taking more than a few high kicks in, still don`t think he`ll make a full bacck though
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| Wellens is still a very good player, i can't ever remember him being a speed merchant, even in his younger days, so his speed now doesn't seem to be as bad as people make out, or for that matter an issue
I think he has still got 2 very good seasons left in the SL
I can't believe that some Saints fans are questioning his ability?
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| Quote ="The Biffs Back"Wellens is still a very good player, i can't ever remember him being a speed merchant, even in his younger days, so his speed now doesn't seem to be as bad as people make out, or for that matter an issue
I think he has still got 2 very good seasons left in the SL
I can't believe that some Saints fans are questioning his ability?'"
It's silly season I think the same as you, two seasons left in him.
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| Quote ="rammsteinbloke"In 2006 and 2007, Paul Wellens was COMFORTABLY the best player in the country. .'"
Eddie Hemmings, how's things going?
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| Quote ="rammsteinbloke"but he was probably the best in the world. '"
He's never been anywhere near that level.
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| a solid plodder going through the motions whom commentators jizzed over and undeservedly picked up a few awards.
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| Quote ="back to back to back"a solid plodder going through the motions whom commentators jizzed over and undeservedly picked up a few awards.'"
Nowhere near that either, every award he's been given has been fully deserved.
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| Now lets not rewrite history. His lack of speed meant Wello was never a dangerous attacking fullback on the scale of a Lockyer or a Slater.
However his performances around 2005,6, and 7 were inspirational and he fully deserved the accolades he received around that time. This was around the time Sadlinski was pretending to be a good player aswell and there was no doubt who played better, no matter what their attributes were.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"You lot have such low expectations though. So Wellens doesn't make many mistakes and is solid defensively? So bloody what. The team is as tight as a nut anyway, we need to make the side more dangerous and expansive.
Wello didn't have a great season, he struggled a lot of the time, it just wasn't as noticable as the whole team was turgid and he doesn't drop the ball. That is the sole thing Saints fans look to in order to rate players, how often they knock on.
I can't believe some of you want to wait for 2 years to think about replacing him. He's not what he once was.'"
Dear god, i agree with you.
Because im now residing in Leeds i had a chance to watch Webb at Headingley and as much as i love wello and all he has done, he just doesn't come close to the skills that Webb has in collecting the ball, gaining the metres and the speed. He beats Webb in tackling and discipline but thats something that can be taught.
I'd take the same approach we have with Sean Long and offer him 1 year when his contract is up and then get him on the staff.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Now lets not rewrite history. His lack of speed meant Wello was never a dangerous attacking fullback on the scale of a Lockyer or a Slater.
However his performances around 2005,6, and 7 were inspirational and he fully deserved the accolades he received around that time. This was around the time Sadlinski was pretending to be a good player aswell and there was no doubt who played better, no matter what their attributes were.'"
You mean when Radlinski had retired? or the 1/2 dozen games he played back end of 2006 on 1 leg!
I'll agree with you there! About that time Wellens was better than him, 2004 and earlier there's only 1 winner!
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Feck off knobs, hands off wello. He is still the best British full back. Briscoe, Briscoe, wouldnt shat on him. I fully support Wello until some body British replaces him pound for pound, and position for position. The rest is currently just Rhetoric!!!
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Serious question.
When does his contract at Saints end?'"
2010 is his last contracted season I believe.
I have never been his greatest fan. He has always been an average player who has played beyond is natural ability and skill.
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He is still our best option at full back. Maybe Lomax or even some else i.e. Foster, will eventually replace him but not for the start of the new season. As the season progresses this could change.
As for people that say Wellens should be played at 3, 4 or 13, that IMO is a complete not starter. He simply doesn't have the skill set to play for us in these positions.
If Wello does not play for Saints at full back then he does not play for saints.
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| I don't see why not, it's not like we've got any squad depth in the backs is it.
Paul Wellens has played on the wing and at centre at international level.
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| Quote ="hooperman" I fully support Wello until some body British replaces him pound for pound, '"
Sounds like that player will be slow too then.
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