I suppose that is a possibility. I do know from experience that a Doctor can diagnose a facial fracture pretty accurately without the aid of an X-ray machine.

But he can only go off what Burns tells him, if he constantly played down pain levels, and didn't react to various pokes and prods, it's incredibly difficult

Bottom line for me is that it was an obvious head shot so Burns should have been taken off the field and examined properly in the quiet of the dressing room. With a blow to the head if he gets back on within 15 minutes then it doesn't count in the interchange score. That's why this new rule was brought in and doctors should be strong enough to enforce it. A quick prod and poke whilst the game continues is just not good enough.

You'll probably find it's posts like this from Saints fans over the last few days that have got our backs up.

To add context you should post the link to the thread with some of the rubbish your lot posted, also take a peek over on Cherry and White (sadly) and take a look further down the list on this forum for a gloating thread made by one of your clowns called foorrrward or something to that effect.

Being honest losing to HKR is an irritant , as long as we are in the running for trophies come season end (which we normally are) I and most Saints fans won't care one bit about this loss. What has wound us up is that one of your props (who admitted he didnt like Burns apparently - so decide yourself if it was intentional) took out a key player for us for an extended period with a late and very dirty hit for which he didnt get sent off then got an insulting 1 match ban.

If you don't like what were saying you might be better off sticking to the HKR board and arguing with your good friends over the other side of your city

As usual McManus has spoken very well on a frustrating situation, hopefully the RFL will start taking notice of their inconsistency. No doubt Green should have received 3 or 4 matches as others in the past have.

Your simply guessing there unless of course you are a surgeon who has seen his x-rays and scans. It's just as likely it made no difference at all other than hurting like hell.

Bottom line for me is that it was an obvious head shot so Burns should have been taken off the field and examined properly in the quiet of the dressing room. With a blow to the head if he gets back on within 15 minutes then it doesn't count in the interchange score. That's why this new rule was brought in and doctors should be strong enough to enforce it. A quick prod and poke whilst the game continues is just not good enough.

It's fair shout but the players themselves need to take some responsibility. Doctors should be able to tell the referee to order a player off if their being difficult, they've made it in football now that a doctor can't be overruled by a manager or coach

Except it only doesn't count if the ref puts it on report ... Which, as discussed, at length, he didn't. It is also only applicable if concussion is the diagnosis. Which it wasn't.

The doctors would have had a full opportunity to examine at half time, with no need to interchange, but they can only go off what Burns tells them

Spot on Aldy! Within 5 minutes of it happening I was 99% certain he'd fractured his facial bones;the other 1% was for an x-ray to confirm how bad it was!The medical staff had a duty of care to Travis even if he was reluctant to come off wth adrenaline pumping through his veins.

I reckon the best thing to do is to leave it to the saints players if they see it as intention to injure Burns. Just wait until HKR come to Langtree Park and when Green arrives "gang tackle" him with legal challenges to the ribs, you never know he might not survive the onslaught to carry on in the game.

The best thing to do is to hit the sod with an assault charge.In my opinion it was a deliberate attempt to take out Burns,and it worked.Also it has been said before the disciplinary panel is unfit for purpose.(I wonder whose chairman said it?)

These fans with x ray vision could help halve the NHS waiting list!

It's a pity the Staint's medical team did'nt have a bit more clinical acumen during the game to take Travis off.

Would that have stopped the triple fracture? No it wouldn't! Him carrying on didn't make it any worse

This just gets better.......... Not only are we glossing over a deliberate late assault that fractures a cheekbone but the Saints medical staff are to blame for letting him play on.

Easy to see why the reasonable posters are losing any respect for KR but equally why supporting the thugs from over the lump is coming easy to them.

A clairvoyant, expert medic, and comic all rolled into one, that's nice.

If that is what the Saints players wanted why wait until he comes to Langtree Park. They had plenty of opportunities during the match to do as you suggest

It was a gutless attack which clearly followed on from Burns' dissolving relationship with Hull KR.

As such it was about as pre-meditated as you can get. A one match ban is a sick travesty of "justice".

The trouble is this will undoubtedly boil up when Hull KR come to Langtree Park. There is a very real possibility that someone could sustain a very serious injury because the judiciary didn't do its job.

Because there is a possibility of not many of the saints players seeing the challenge at the time, Burns played on with 3 fractures in his cheek/jawbone his players wouldn,t have known that. Now that the evidence has come to bear post match that it was highly likely premeditated I don,t think the saints players will let it go.
I reckon there will be unfinished business come the return, all done legally of course in our own backyard.

LOL, I figured there would be a fair bit of condoning Burns' triple fracture on Deliverance's message board. But even I was surprised by the new low their fans have set.

Two ... maybe three fans distancing themselves?

Mind, Hull is the only Rugby League town in which I've seen a Saints coach bricked. Twice.

As luck would have it you are right. However, another hit to his cheek on that side could have had very serious consequences. It would have turned a short term out to a long term out and could have damaged his eye or the nerves as per Longy's facial injury.

Me too, last time you came to Craven Park in head hunter mode it backfired and it will do again. If you read the disciplinary report it states, the shoulder came of the shoulder and into the head. Green was found guilty and banned for 2 as per regulations. He took an EPG and that was reduced to 1 game.

Its unfortunate that Burns got a bad injury but if you looks at Greens disciplinary record its pretty clean, he's not that type of player. Its also possible that his injury was made worse by playing on for 70+ minutes after the event which is either Burns fault or the doc's.

All ends up I reckon you should stop harping on about it and get on with your season. I'm pretty certain you'll get a couple of wins and it'll all be forgotten.

Completely agree - except for motive's as that is speculation and I genuinely don't believe that the tackle was premeditated. Dangerous - yes, late - yes and illegal - yes. Was the ban in line with the offence - yes, based on current rules but they are ridiculous. Injury to Burns has amplified the situation, had this happened to Kelly for Rovers I would be as miffed as the Saints supporters.

Ultimately McManus and Hudgell are in violent agreement, as are the majority of fans from both clubs. The disciplinary process is massively broken and completely inconsistent.