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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Here's what I posted about Pryce on the Wigan board.
I've always thought that Pryce could be a very good loose forward. A Saints back three of Wilkin, Flannery and Pryce would be well balanced.
A runner (Pryce) a footballer (Wilkin) and a tackler (Flannery) has always been my ideal for the back row. (Not the players the balance)'"
It's not a case of 'could' - Pryce has been playing like a loose forward for three years. The similarities between his game and Sculthorpe's are uncanny at times.
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| I would be tempted to let him leave this winter, let him go back to Bradford and get someone else in....who that is though, I just dont know.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"I would be tempted to let him leave this winter, let him go back to Bradford and get someone else in....who that is though, I just dont know.'"
Pryce is a talented runner of the ball in the correct position he can be a massive asset to Saints. I'd like him to be officially played at Loose forward but if he needs to stay in the back then I'd have him in at Centre or even get him to fullback where he can still inject himself into the game. That would leave the 6 spot open for Wheeler to stake a claim
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| Pryce came to Saints because he was told he would be playing stand-off, now, for what ever reason his form has gone so should his right to choose where he plays. I would play him at centre next year with Wheeler at stand-off, I would also give Tom Armstrong a few games in place of Adie, another who has to be told he is not guaranteed a shirt because of a past reputation.
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| I've said for few month now that pryce should have been plaing centre with longy and eastmond halfbacks.
Potter has a huge problem next year with the halfback selection. IMO eastmond should be our 7 next year but I don't think he and pryce would work.
I don't think eastmond and wheeler our ready to play together as our halfbacks as it's a big ask for 2 young lads to direct the team.
It's a shame we didn't have the cash to bring a ball playing stand off in to help eastmond out.
IMO pryce would be ideal as our fullback but think wello will have something to say bout that.
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| Its no good blaming Pyrce, most of the team has been rubbish this season, with possibly Wellens and Graham being the exceptions.
We just have not adjusted to the slow play the balls, Leeds, Huddersfield and Hull KR have adapted well.
We can only manage 2 passes from the ruck area, and as we don,t have a decent kicking game it means our attacking flair has dissapeared, even Gidley has struggled this year. So Pyrce and his loss of form you could say for half the team this season.
If you look at the Grand Final Leeds were getting the ball out wide quicker from 3 passes. We were doing 1 or 2 passes and getting swallowed up every time.
The only positive our defence has been pretty decent for most of the time in the tackling department but defending from kicks we are on dodgy ground.
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| The key here though is:
Beaten Pack = ineffective half backs.
Fair enough, we were on top against Leeds for the opening 30, but even then with our forwards dominating theirs, the slow PTB and lack of dynamic passing left Longy and Pryce pretty much swamped by the opposition defence.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Its no good blaming Pyrce, most of the team has been rubbish this season, with possibly Wellens and Graham being the exceptions.
We just have not adjusted to the slow play the balls, Leeds, Huddersfield and Hull KR have adapted well.
We can only manage 2 passes from the ruck area, and as we don,t have a decent kicking game it means our attacking flair has dissapeared, even Gidley has struggled this year. So Pyrce and his loss of form you could say for half the team this season.
If you look at the Grand Final Leeds were getting the ball out wide quicker from 3 passes. We were doing 1 or 2 passes and getting swallowed up every time.
The only positive our defence has been pretty decent for most of the time in the tackling department but defending from kicks we are on dodgy ground.'"
Even though pryce hasn't played to the level we used to he's still been ok this year.
His defence and work rate IMO has improved but his attack has been poor.
He ain't got the room to play his attacking game. That's down to lack of roll on, slow play the balls or whatever.
I think pryce would be a better playing centre or fullback.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"I would be tempted to let him leave this winter, let him go back to Bradford and get someone else in....who that is though, I just dont know.'"
Fancy emailing that to your chairman? He'd walk into our team even in his present form!
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| Quote ="snowie"what happened to him tonight, not once did I see anything that could put his name forward for the England team, was you disappointed with his performance ?'"
2009 = write off ! Non entity for us all season to be fair. Wouldnt get agame for the Lebanon .
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| Quote ="St pete"IMO pryce would be ideal as our fullback but think wello will have something to say bout that.'"
Wello wanted to move to 13 for this season but there was nobody to replace him at FB so I suspect the something Wello would have to say would be "Yes please"
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| Quote ="Harry Pinner"Wello wanted to move to 13 for this season but there was nobody to replace him at FB so I suspect the something Wello would have to say would be "Yes please"'"
If you move Wello to 13 where are Cunningham, Roby and Moore going to play?
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| Quote ="Mugwump"It's not a case of 'could' - Pryce has been playing like a loose forward for three years. The similarities between his game and Sculthorpe's are uncanny at times.'"
Except Pryce's main assett is his broken field play and his running game, which was not Scully's main assett. Also, Sculthorpe could pass a football, kick a football and organise his team mates, all skills that are completely alien to Pryce.
In other words, the two are about as similar as Ellery Hanley and Barry Ward.
Leon Pryce is a broken field player and just hasn't got any of the organisational skills or tactical brains required to play a pivotal role such as 6 or 13 unless he has a 7 at the side of him that can do all those things for him.
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| Paul Sculthorpe in his prime would make the current Saints side champions.
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| But Ellery was not a good passer or kicker. It took Graham Lowe to figure it out.
Bring in Andy Gregory to 7, Edwards at 6 and Hanley to 13. The best midfield triangle ever to play for an English club side.
Add a hooker in Dermott who could pass accurately and quickly, job done.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"But Ellery was not a good passer or kicker. It took Graham Lowe to figure it out.
Bring in Andy Gregory to 7, Edwards at 6 and Hanley to 13. The best midfield triangle ever to play for an English club side.
Add a hooker in Dermott who could pass accurately and quickly, job done.'"
Who said that he was?
Are you Dermotts dad or something?
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The similarities between his game and Sculthorpe's are uncanny at times.'"
I hope for your own sake that you are being sarcastic.
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| There is nothing similar at all to Pryce and Sculthorpe in the way they play :S
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| Quote ="caslad75"Pryce amazes me! IMO he is such a gifted player, but only when things are going right and there is no pressure on him. '"
Spot on.
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| Why are people comparing Pryce to Sculthorpe. They don't even play the same position. Sculthorpe is a Saints legend and one of the best players to ever pull on a shirt, Pryce isn't, simple as.
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| Quote ="Smurf"I hope for your own sake that you are being sarcastic.'"
Not at all. If you analyse the way Pryce attacks the line, when he attacks the line and how he directs the team around the park (barring the kicking game) you'll find an awful lot of similarities between him and Scully. Indeed, I'd say Pryce has stolen a good bit of his game.
Understand that there's a difference between playing LIKE Scully and achieving his END RESULT. Leon could never hope to achieve the latter, not least because he lacks Scully's physicality. But you can't deny that when he hits the ball early and on the burst from the dummy half on second or third tackle there isn't a sense of Scully about him.
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| Pryce needs an organising seven next to him to play at 6, whether he'll have one that can do it to the required level next year is another question, he hasn't had it towards the back end of this year and it's shown. Whilst he may not be the greatest 6 to play the game, you don't play the position in a team that beats the Aussies on their own turf if you are completely incompetent and unsuited to it. He has the ability to play at 6 as long as the team is set up to allow him to play to his strengths.
The combination of Eastmond and Wheeler at half back next year would be disastrous for both the club and the players though.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"Pryce needs an organising seven next to him to play at 6, whether he'll have one that can do it to the required level next year is another question, he hasn't had it towards the back end of this year and it's shown. Whilst he may not be the greatest 6 to play the game, you don't play the position in a team that beats the Aussies on their own turf if you are completely incompetent and unsuited to it. He has the ability to play at 6 as long as the team is set up to allow him to play to his strengths.
The combination of Eastmond and Wheeler at half back next year would be disastrous for both the club and the players though.'"
Couldn't agree with you more. Look what happened when we tried it with Robinson & Brown.
Look how long it took Leeds to really kick on with Burrow and McGuire (Dunnaman was used to cover both positions for a while to let them bed in)
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| Quote ="D.D."Except Pryce's main assett is his broken field play and his running game, which was not Scully's main assett. Also, Sculthorpe could pass a football, kick a football and organise his team mates, all skills that are completely alien to Pryce.
In other words, the two are about as similar as Ellery Hanley and Barry Ward.
Leon Pryce is a broken field player and just hasn't got any of the organisational skills or tactical brains required to play a pivotal role such as 6 or 13 unless he has a 7 at the side of him that can do all those things for him.'"
See above regarding the difference between playing LIKE Scully and achieving Scully's results. No one denies Leon lacks much of Scully's subtleties, but in ATTACKING THE LINE - especially with ball in hand he is remarkably similar to Scully. Like Scully he is almost always the first person to hit the ball on third tackle close to the ruck and on the burst when it looks like the pack is going nowhere. Like Scully he is the primary pivot from twenty yards in. One dummied his receivers whilst the other steps away from them.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Not at all. If you analyse the way Pryce attacks the line, when he attacks the line and how he directs the team around the park (barring the kicking game) you'll find an awful lot of similarities between him and Scully. Indeed, I'd say Pryce has stolen a good bit of his game.
Understand that there's a difference between playing LIKE Scully and achieving his END RESULT. Leon could never hope to achieve the latter, not least because he lacks Scully's physicality. But you can't deny that when he hits the ball early and on the burst from the dummy half on second or third tackle there isn't a sense of Scully about him.'"
Personally I don't see how a player hitting the ball up from the same place and point in the tackle count equates to him being uncannily similar to another, but each to their own.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Couldn't agree with you more. Look what happened when we tried it with Robinson & Brown.
Look how long it took Leeds to really kick on with Burrow and McGuire (Dunnaman was used to cover both positions for a while to let them bed in)'"
sadly what your saying makes sense - you also forgot to add the influence of Sinfield on the Leeds team from 13 - his precence allows Mcguire to play his running game
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