McManus was as gutted as some of the players after the game. He has 1 thing on his mind, and that is trophies.

He is stepping down in 2018 as the accounts show. I get the distinct impression everything will now be geared towards him leaving riding on the back of success. Even if Cas win tomorrow and the playoffs go as many assume, it's not necessarily a bad thing. It just has to be used in the right way ... Whether Brown is capable of that is another discussion...

there were 2-3 players offside from the play the ball who were near the ball when it bounced they should ahve been called and maybe why it was called offside.

it might not be so gloomy. We went through a very similar patch. Loss of all our good players at once, some very poor coaches and signings then bam, a lot of the stuff going on behind the scenes that we dont know about comes together and it seems to have worked and keeps working. Saints will come good. Look at how smashed you are this season and some poor signings yet are still up there.

I'm amazed Saints are even in contention, lost two most dangerous players in Walsh and Lomax and still competitive. Got avoid young core in Lomax, Makinson, Percival, Turner, Swift etc. I think you need to replace Hohaia, awful player. If you had Pryce or an Eastmond alongside Walsh you'd be scary.

Not true at all Roy. Ball played the man.

In any case it makes up for the forward pass for saints second

I wonder what happens if you compile every poor decision. Wonder how many each team got and whether we deserved a correct call then??

Doesn't matter as offside was the right call anyway

If your a blind halfwit with no idea on the rules , you'd be correct. It was a poor call at a vital moment of the game that just sums up the terrible quality of refs we have. If that prat Silverdud had just let play go LMS would likely have scored and the Video ref would have had all night to look at it. Alas he chose to make the ref the major talking point in a big game again rather than the Rugby it's self. He should be punished for his mistake but of course he wont be.

I thought that made up for your first try where the player dropped the ball and didn't ground it.

Really? Brough has given two players concussion this year when the ball he's kicked has hit players rushing towards him in the face- the ref didn't class eitherof those as a charge down.... Or do you think he should have?

IF you are correct, makes up for Bentham's decision over Danny Brough's drop goal in the cup.

IF - everyone could go on and on, remember as a real youngster Murp scoring in the corner in a night game at Knowsley Road near the score board, someone shouted never a try, Murphy just shouted back look in the paper tomorrow!

One of Saints tries did look a forward pass, so do they all balance themselves out! last night is Over!

It shows browns not so confident in having Mose on the pit when we was down to 12. Amor and Lms run their blood to water while he was sat on his fat bum watching. I think he did about 30 mins of the 80 in a back to the wall game in which we had 12 men and players going down injured.

Laffranchi was woeful again. I'd never pick him for the club again, he's total waste of a player and Thompson, greenwood and sav bring much more than him.

We was effectively carrying to many players last night

I think Leeds did a similar thing last week not risking certain bench players when down to 12.

Totally agree about Laffranchi he is in "going home" mode and Soliola is going the same way. Thompson should definitely be replacing Laffranchi and why Sav hasn't played a couple more games is baffling.
Its also a strange one from Brown who before he came to the club was known for swapping and changing, he now seems to have gone the other way with the suspicion that he has "his favourites".

I'd 100% play Thompson every week if his form was what it was before he wasn't selected. He brings heart, comitment, energy and aggression.

Was Swift dropped again or injured?

Last night was the best thing that could happen to that set of lads. Learning the number 1 rule of Rugby League which is to give your all no matter what the circumstance. No one can criticise the lack of effort which we've been able to do countless times this season. We won't win anything but if we go out on our sword, we can't ask any more.

If we come back next season with the same attitude and a full squad, we won't be far away no matter what some of the melodramatic tools on here will have you believe. The biggest thing Saints lack is heart and we showed plenty of that last night. I'd like to think it was an invaluable lesson for next season.

1 good thing about Walmesley getting banned will be the return of Thompson. I'd start him next week, whoever we play. He'll run through brick walls for Saints.

Be better If both walmsley and Thompson was playing.

There was no announcement about injury.

We showed heart at the back end of last season too or have you forgotten games like against Leeds in the play offs when we lost by one? We have been no different this season though so I doubt it is a lesson we have learned or are going to learn.

You can say what you want about lack of commitment and leadership and I wouldn’t argue, after all you’ve seen more Saints games this season than I have, but when all’s said and done and taking into account swings and roundabouts, 50-50s and all that, and believe me I do hate to blame referees for losing games, but the LMS incident probably cost Saints the game IMO, and it was called wrong. You could say they didn’t deserve it, and some will, but for me that doesn’t change what should have been. When something so wrong cost the game, and remember there’s more than one official that should have seen the play correctly. If it was just the two points that would have been bad enough, but it could mean the loss of the LLS.

It wasn't called wrong. Taai did not charge down the kick, he made no attempt to touch the ball -the ball hit him, he can't be classed as charging down a ball just for running towards the attacking line -he was attempting to reach the line to tackle. If a player is classed as charging down a ball for moving forward from the defensive line teams could just kick the ball at opposition players whilst one of their own is stood in the defensive line and pick it up!
How many times do we see a half back kick the ball on the last and hit another player. Brough has kicked the ball and hit two players in the face this season- were they chargedowns? - no rightly those in front of him were still off side as they should be!

Well, not 'it' as it happens.

Cas are just as incapable as us of grabbing the LLS.

Saints win the hubcap by virtue of other teams tripping over their own feet.

Let us rejoice and unfurl the bunting.

You had to be in the right position to claim it - even if it did depend on the cas result. Well done. Whatever people say about your season you have finished top of the table in a very close competition. Don't knock it!