Yup. Me and the people I was sitting with had sat down bemoaning that he was just short because it was such a terrific effort that he deserved the try. Which wasn't.

Mind you, nor was Westwood's last night. Blatently obvious, copy book double movement, so no Wire fan can come on here bleating.

Why arent all the oppo fans up In arms about the Emmitt no try,strange that.

Because the ball was clearly on Hauraki's arm?



Even if Roby did lose possession backwards, wasn't the tackle complete at that point anyway? In which case it's given as a knock-on regardless of the direction it goes in.

video ref was a joke they are there to make the game more consistent any video ref who makes a mistake when he can pause it and slow it down and watch it over and over should be shot

yes it did even up the emmit try maybe thats why he gave it he realised he made a mistake

Dincha know, us Saints have the RFL in us back pockets. The try was given because we know just how much it would vex off the Wolfs. And it has!

think the point is being missed here,never mind the westwood try,the point is that the technology and smith was a failure.why you ppl are refering to other decisions is beyond me,you afraid to admit that was not a try by a country mile,some have already said if westwoods try had gone to video it would have been wiped off,unless of course smith was video ref aswell.SHOCKING decision.

It was more a try then the one given against us in the grand final last year

the point is theres far too many wrong decisions are being made not just from video refs but from all the officials the touch judges aswell are too old and frail to run the line how can you go upstairs on gardeners try to see if his foots in touch he was clearly a foot away from the line and the 80 year old touch judge was stood right there shocking !

then you look back over the leeds game and every other leeds game this season and every try scored down leeds left through kieth senior comes from forward passes again under the nose of the guy running the line what are these guys getting paid for !

It looked like a try watched live imo,but so did Smiths try in last years grand final.................

Some really bad decisions, but it sums up the game at present, hope we do not get like wrestling before that had it's TV demise!

Because no Wire fan can justifiably be on here having a go about the James Roby non-try when in their match against Hull FC there was the Ben Westwood non-try. All square. We would still be ahead of you in points difference after the two matches if both the non-tries had not been given (and neither of them should have been). Suck it up.

The two incidents are completely different, but Smith made a mess on both of them. He should have referred the Westwood try, and he should have disallowed the Roby one. Can you imagine the fuss if he was VR for the Grand Final and gave a VR decision like last night at a crucial point? It was a really poor decision.

Am I reading this right? A Quins fans calling Crusaders for having a team full of Aussies?? Only started watching Quins this season did you luv?

A VR has already done that to an extent in our GF with Leeds.

The point is (and the problem with a lot of Saints fans)

Ask a Wire fan should Westwood's be given they would say "no"
Ask some Saints fans should Roby's be given and they say "yes" and start making up rules.

He lost control of the ball after the tackle dragged it forawrd and lost it again and then got pressure on it on the line.

The simple facts are:
*Smith made two mistakes in one weekend and so should be sacked
*Westwood's apparently looked okay in normal time. (No need for a Video ref)
*Roby's looked like a massacre and so went to the VR. It looked worse and should no way have been given, it was. There is the problem.

And FFS RIGSBY, can you make a post w/o referring to the hoodoo. Nothing worse than being boring.



Saints you don't want to be pitied do you? It sounds like that is what you are going for. Smith took pity on you and so gave it? I don't believe that.

Nothig like a good bit of stereotying from the warrington fathful

wasnt the first bad mistake by offcals and wont be the last. GET OVER IT.

Are people still talking about this?

Talk about being OTT. It didn't make that much difference.

ok, lets all calm down, yes it probably wasnt a try, just like we won the league in 96 with apoolo's questionable try at london and the grand final when jointy certanly didnt take a voluntary tackle, lets move on

I thought it was a try! He loses the ball backwards then gains control before grounding!
The ruling I couldnt get my head round was the picking up and driving back in the tackle thought that had been outlawed!

I believe the referee saw it that the players feet never left the ground so was not picked up, and te player was also not n the floor so was not dragged. Was merely bundled into touch.

Amazed it was given, I didnt celebrate when he slugn it down live, I didnt start getting excited as the replays were shown, but I did get giddy and all happy and warm when it was given, never had Ian Smith give us a bean in the past. Still dont grasp how he gave it ?

Smith thought it hit the whiteline JUST, so he gave it.

Your face was a fricken picture

I think it was given because he had second thoughts about not giving the one by Magennis (I think it was). Although they'd never admit it I'm sure ref's do try to put (perceived) wrong decisions right by giving one the other way.

Anyway on a slightly different point I think ref's all look for reasons to give tries far too much these days and the VR has made that worse. We frequently see "tries" where a hand brushes the ball, something that anywhere else on the field would be considered a blatant knock on but behind the line it's a try.

I'm all in favour of the VR at every game not just TV games, but they've got to do the job right.

Think it was Jake Emmitt your reffering to?

You think right.