Does this mean after opening the ground and testing it out we could find our capacity crowd slightly higher than initially thought or is the 18,000 about right?

Its an interesting thought.

However planning permission is only for stadium no higher than 17984. So i presume we would need to appply for further permission to increase it further.

Considering the two end terraces are each bigger than Wires end terrace, despite more generous capacity calculations at Saints, then i dont think there will be problems with the terraces capacity being grossly inadequate to meet demand.

Not quite that clearly apparently, as the bond is only put in place when they want to open the Tesco store before the stadium is complete. The bond is for the value of the outstanding value of the stadium works and in effect is a "guarantee" for the council that Langtree will finish off the stadium works even though the money generating part of the development is up and running ie if Langtree don't finish the stadium the Council call the bond in and use that money to finish the stadium.

Could you explain that in English please for those of us who can't do property stuff?



Thanking you in advance!

just been messing with some of the figures on the standing area's, there is plenty of leeway even in the figures given on the drawings never mind allowing for the maximum number of person's.
Add 1,800 more people if they one day allow the maximum amount in.

Looking at the plans do you think the home end will be the west side? I base this on we would be facing the scoreboard in the east stand at the side of the screen in the west (for decisions) and the home dugout is the west dugout? also that would mean we enter at the front of the ground.

I'd rather be able to se the big screen than the scoreboard.

You should still be able to see the big screen in the west stand, just as you can see it from the main stand now at Knowsely road, even though its on the same corenr of the ground as the main stand. The key thing will be how far back in the north west corner the screen will be placed, as this will be what influences visibility most.

One thing to note is that fans in the west stand should have no difficulty seeing the scoreboard, which will be there for every match and not just Sky games. Unless Saints plan on having a permanent video board, which i doubt.

Thinking about it, im curious as to whether in the final build things get altered, with the screen infact placed in the North East corner. The reason behind this thinking, is that originally the TV vans were supposed to be parked in the North West corner of the ground, with the associated TV box in the North stand.
TV vans have now been moved to an area behind the East stand, with the TV gantry in the south stand. Therefore it would make more sense to put the video screen up on the north east corner, as this would mean less cabling. infact looking on the st.Helens planning website, the councils own document details TV cabling as a health and safety issue that needs resolving before construction can begin.
In essence they dont want lots of thick cabling trailing across the pavement around the ground and causing a hazard to fans attending the ground. I therefore suspect they will therefore make provision for the cabling to be either ducted under removable covers around the ground, or else hoisted on poles above ground

What are the plans for playing the reserve and academy games?

The majority of Superleague teams now don't play their academy games on their first team pitches.
Will Saints use LSH Rugby Union pitch?

The document says the use of the stadium pitch will be for sporting events only and is limited for use by :

St Helens RLFC first,reserve and youth team rugby league fixtures
Other domestic rugby and cup competitions fixtures
St Helens Town FC fixtures
International Rugby fixtures

Whilst these terms go for nearly all pro clubs I couldn't imagine Saints preventing the Reserves/Acedemy playing there unless it conflicts with a SL game with the potential for pitch damage before the main game.I also doubt Saints would be willing to cough up fees to other sports clubs for the use of their pitches to many times.

Jeez do we have to put up with St Helens town again.

What was intresting about the list of events allowed at the ground........was they changed it from rugby league, to rugby games in the last meeting.

Would you think that would mean rugby union games could be played their in the future? Cause unless they bring the big money id rather keep it for league

I was frightened to ask this question earlier as I thought people might have thought it was devisive/negative, but now the dust has settled and these decisions are looked at in hindsight.......

Anyone fancy giving the definitive answer on this question....

What EXACTLY is Tesco bringing to the table to the advantage of Saints for the building of their new ground. Or, in other words, if Saints would have gone it alone could they have done this a lot sooner?

Is Tesco donating any money directly or even indirectly towards the ground? If so, what? If not, then why did we ever need them?

As far as I can tell, including a supermarket in the mix only made the planning process infinitely harder. So unless they were putting a big lump of beef in the pot, why did we need them?

So..... what exactly did we need Tesco for?

Please, no vague answers, I would love to know specifically, what does Tesco bring to the table? In hindsight, was it the correct decision?

Alas, it seems like it, although last I heard Saints weren't keen. I hope they pay rent this time though.

Quote ="Donkey OTay"I was frightened to ask this question earlier as I thought people might have thought it was devisive/negative, but now the dust has settled and these decisions are looked at in hindsight....... Anyone fancy giving the definitive answer on this question.... What EXACTLY is Tesco bringing to the table to the advantage of Saints for the building of their new ground. Or, in other words, if Saints would have gone it alone could they have done this a lot sooner? Is Tesco donating any money directly or even indirectly towards the ground? If so, what? If not, then why did we ever need them? As far as I can tell, including a supermarket in the mix only made the planning process infinitely harder. So unless they were putting a big lump of beef in the pot, why did we need them? So..... what exactly did we need Tesco for? Please, no vague answers, I would love to know specifically, what does Tesco bring to the table? In hindsight, was it the correct decision?'" Tesco does make planning harder, or should I say more complicated, the main shakers in all this is the Council, the Council needed to justify their involvement and I think they have, as a town we will have a new Texco extra whether you agree with giant Supermarkets or not, a redeveloped Market St and new housing in Knowsley Road and finally a brand new stadium on what was a derelict industrial town centre site. As to what Tesco bring to the table listen to what the chief exec has to say. listen from 27 minutes. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 ... 7_01_2010/

Quote ="Donkey OTay"I was frightened to ask this question earlier as I thought people might have thought it was devisive/negative, but now the dust has settled and these decisions are looked at in hindsight....... Anyone fancy giving the definitive answer on this question.... What EXACTLY is Tesco bringing to the table to the advantage of Saints for the building of their new ground. Or, in other words, if Saints would have gone it alone could they have done this a lot sooner? Is Tesco donating any money directly or even indirectly towards the ground? If so, what? If not, then why did we ever need them? As far as I can tell, including a supermarket in the mix only made the planning process infinitely harder. So unless they were putting a big lump of beef in the pot, why did we need them? So..... what exactly did we need Tesco for? Please, no vague answers, I would love to know specifically, what does Tesco bring to the table? In hindsight, was it the correct decision?'" Tesco does make planning harder, or should I say more complicated, the main shakers in all this is the Council, the Council needed to justify their involvement and I think they have, as a town we will have a new Texco extra whether you agree with giant Supermarkets or not, a redeveloped Market St and new housing in Knowsley Road and finally a brand new stadium on what was a derelict industrial town centre site. As to what Tesco bring to the table listen to what the chief exec has to say. listen from 27 minutes. www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 ... 7_01_2010/

I doubt they will unless we charge them a tenner a match or something similar, aren't they skint?

I suppose we did shaft them a touch over the 'Sporting Club St Helens' fiasco of a few years back.

did we?

Saints, from what I can gather, paid off their debts (300k) when they moved to KR and from what I understand paid off the debt owed when the left SCS (34K).

More than hoghton road or St Helens Town brought the party.

What exactly is it that St Helens Town have done for the Saints, does anyone know??

Threaten legal action against them? Oh, that's not [ifor[/i the Saints!

Er.

Um.

There must be something ...

And left them homeless.

What happened to the money from the Hoghton Road site? Did they not own that?



Nothing now, but was there must have been a reason for bringing them on board, incorrect or not. But I'm sure they wished they'd never bothered either now.

I'm just guessing, but did Saints and St. Helens Town FC think at that time that there was more of a chance of a new stadium being built if both clubs were involved as a joint venture?

It was something to do with grant funding IIRC.

Well, I listened to that and he said very little about what Tesco have actually brought to the table.

Liverpool St Helens RUFC were also part of It for a time. Typical muddled thinking from the powers that be at that time.

Yeah it was to do with grants from the FA why St Helens Town where on board, I think the feeling might have been that Liverpool St Helens RU ground might have been useful perhaps if all three clubs shared the new stadium, of course LSH left the party quite some time ago.

Mal Kay said he wanted it to be like Sporting Club Barcelona if I recall the meeting we had with him at the time correcly. The idea for an umberalla club was a good one, but Saints didnt have the money and LSH and Town are not high enough in their relative sports to really become and all round sporting excellence style club.

And I think the grants they could achieve were related to their position in their sports.

I'm told the reason Saints were happy to keep them at KR was that having a multi-sport venue attracted funds from Sport England to Saints coffers.