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| Quote ="Saddened!"Doesn't that give an indication though? He's 27 in Jan and hasn't established himself as a first grade player, let alone a first 17 player. I'm sure he'll be solid enough, but I'm not expecting anything positive.'"
It hardly matters, George Carmont only made his first grade debut when he was 26. He could turn out to be anything, and especially in an inferior competition.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Doesn't that give an indication though? He's 27 in Jan and hasn't established himself as a first grade player, let alone a first 17 player. I'm sure he'll be solid enough, but I'm not expecting anything positive.'"
I know it's nothing new, but some of the stuff you come out with is hilarious.
You say that he "seems a really poor signing to me" and then immediately say "I've never seen him play". You couldn't make it up!!
I had never seen Vea play before he signed for us. But, at the start of the year, you could argue that he was one of the top second rowers in the comp. Before he got injured, the anti-Saints mob that make up the Sky Sports commentary team, where even saying that he could turn out to be one of the best signings by any club this season.
We might not have the best team in the comp, but what we do have is the best academy in the country. I know you probably don't like that, but it's true.
And your silly little attacks on McManus are not only ridiculous, but highly disrespectful. "Doing it on the cheap". What a joke!!! We spend the same as all the other top clubs spend, which is the maximum amount. Wello had to retire so that we could take his wage off the cap in order to bring in Quinlan. That tells you that we spend the full cap.
I have no concerns at all about our squad for next season. We have some great prospects moving up from the academy (probably something that you don't know much about).
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Warrington who, if they pull off the signings they have in the pipeline, will be a vastly improved side.'"
That has been said about Warrington for as long as I can remember. When did they last win the championship?
Quote ="Saddened!"There is a lot of work coming in terms of the squad and it's not the time for McManus to be kicking back.'"
Another personal attack on the chairman!
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| Quote ="saint87"We might not have the best team in the comp ...'"
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| Quote ="saint87"I know it's nothing new, but some of the stuff you come out with is hilarious.
You say that he "seems a really poor signing to me" and then immediately say "I've never seen him play". You couldn't make it up!!'"
If you were educated, you would know what the word "seems" means in that context. You would then realise what I put is perfectly acceptable. We're signing a player here who isn't good enough for the NRL. We've let Josh Jones go for him and I'll bet he's on no less than what Jones wanted.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"We're signing a player here who isn't good enough for the NRL. We've let Josh Jones go for him and I'll bet he's on no less than what Jones wanted.'"
By your logic Josh Jones isn't good enough for SL.
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| With all your new signings, you'll be known as the galacticos of the superleague. Team sheet for next year-
1- (what) Jim Icallit
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| Quote ="Gazwire"With all your new signings, you'll be known as the galacticos of the superleague. Team sheet for next year-
1- (what) Jim Icallit
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Thankfully as they all play for saints they'll still have a huge advantage over anyone who signs for wire.
But I'm sure next year will be your year. Just like this erm year.....
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Doesn't that give an indication though? He's 27 in Jan and hasn't established himself as a first grade player, let alone a first 17 player. I'm sure he'll be solid enough, but I'm not expecting anything positive.'"
I should imagine the club have done there homework on him, he,s going to be better than Jones or Dawson which for me is an upgrade on what we have got now. We might get lucky to a point where he is challenging Percival or Turner, would sooner look at the positive side of it rather doom and gloom the bloke before he's landed on the shores.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"With all your new signings, you'll be known as the galacticos of the superleague. Team sheet for next year-
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Thought you where keeping off the Sandow Shandy today, Gaz.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"By your logic Josh Jones isn't good enough for SL.'"
I like Jones. He's good. Played about double the first grade games by 22 that Dominiquah has by 27.
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| Quote ="Gazwire"With all your new signings, you'll be known as the galacticos of the superleague. Team sheet for next year-
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I like Jones. He's good. Played about double the first grade games by 22 that Dominiquah has by 27.'"
Don't think Jones would get a single first grade game in the NRL, maybe the occasional bench spot.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Don't think Jones would get a single first grade game in the NRL, maybe the occasional bench spot.'"
I would be disappointed if we have effectively swapped Jones for this bloke. Jones may not get a start in the NRl, although there are an awful lot of puddings who have played a lot of games over there, but he proved himself to be a good player for us, who was still improving. It appears he fell out of favour with KC and I guess we will never really know why, or if we could have matched the wages he is going to be getting, but it seems a big gamble to me. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jones back in SL before too long.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I should imagine the club have done there homework on him, he,s going to be better than Jones or Dawson which for me is an upgrade on what we have got now. We might get lucky to a point where he is challenging Percival or Turner, would sooner look at the positive side of it rather doom and gloom the bloke before he's landed on the shores.'"
Jones has suddenly become a bad player because he's leaving it seems. It was only two seasons ago people on here was saying future england player etc.
Jones is a very important member of the squad Imo and we will miss him. He's so young yet and so much growing still to come and much more quality yet to come from him and sadly we will miss it.
The way he can switch from centre to Backrow so easily for a young kid shows how far ahead he is of most lads his age.
I've not seen this Dom play but I'll be very surprised if he's on the same level as jones.
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| Quote ="St pete"Jones has suddenly become a bad player because he's leaving it seems. It was only two seasons ago people on here was saying future england player etc.
Jones is a very important member of the squad Imo and we will miss him. He's so young yet and so much growing still to come and much more quality yet to come from him and sadly we will miss it.
The way he can switch from centre to Backrow so easily for a young kid shows how far ahead he is of most lads his age.
I've not seen this Dom play but I'll be very surprised if he's on the same level as jones.'"
Well I for one is not saying he is a bad player, personally I,ve never really rated Jones highly as others but his game has picked up in the last 4 or 5 games, I,ve watched his game in detail over the past 12 months, he goes OK in the pack but his decision making when he was at centre was pretty poor, shepherding the giants player to allow a score the other week was an example of his common weakness, also his understanding with his winger was not right.
I thought he would have kicked on to another level similar to the way Percival progressed but he hasn't, he's gone outside the 17 and is not going to replace Vea, Greenwood, LMS, Sav, Wilkin in the pack or Turner, Percival in the centres.
Maybe he has realised that being a fringe player is his level and has given him reason to get the cash and try his hand at Exeter.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Well I for one is not saying he is a bad player, personally I,ve never really rated Jones highly as others but his game has picked up in the last 4 or 5 games, I,ve watched his game in detail over the past 12 months, he goes OK in the pack but his decision making when he was at centre was pretty poor, shepherding the giants player to allow a score the other week was an example of his common weakness, also his understanding with his winger was not right.
I thought he would have kicked on to another level similar to the way Percival progressed but he hasn't, he's gone outside the 17 and is not going to replace Vea, Greenwood, LMS, Sav, Wilkin in the pack or Turner, Percival in the centres.
Maybe he has realised that being a fringe player is his level and has given him reason to get the cash and try his hand at Exeter.'"
Maybe he's not had the game time the others have had and always one of the scapegoats for KC when we drop players.
I don't think he's a world beater avd I don't think he will ever make a international squad but he's a top squad player. Teams need this type of player and they become very important during the season.
Saints offerd him decent contract but if you could see what he's got In Union then anybody would jump at it.
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| Quote ="St pete"Maybe he's not had the game time the others have had and always one of the scapegoats for KC when we drop players.
I don't think he's a world beater avd I don't think he will ever make a international squad but he's a top squad player. Teams need this type of player and they become very important during the season.
Saints offerd him decent contract but if you could see what he's got In Union then anybody would jump at it.'"
Probably the case with the game time, yourself and a few others who are "in the know" with the team can probably see better what Jones has to offer.
I'm just casting opinion on him on match day performance and how he in particular "fits into " to our back line, Swift looks a better player with Turner inside him, Dawson looks a better player with Percival inside him, put Jones into the centres and that particular edge becomes indecisive in both offence and defence.
In the pack he's not exposed as much but he does have a lazy defence at times. With his decision to move on, maybe it will give Knowles and Davies a chance to target 1st team honours and progression.
Another player I,m concerned about is Thompson who I rated highly last year but has seemed to have flat lined a bit this year, injuries, game time stability perhaps.
As for Dominique Peyroux he is an unknown international player, but we should,t "rubbish" him because his name doesn't sound right or he is a british fan non entity.
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| Quote ="SomersetSaint"I would be disappointed if we have effectively swapped Jones for this bloke. Jones may not get a start in the NRl, although there are an awful lot of puddings who have played a lot of games over there, but he proved himself to be a good player for us, who was still improving. It appears he fell out of favour with KC and I guess we will never really know why, or if we could have matched the wages he is going to be getting, but it seems a big gamble to me. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jones back in SL before too long.'"
We've not swapped for Jones though.
If you're happy to pay Jones upwards of £70000 of cap(I think that was the rumoured amount) then we would not need to replace him.
We could not match Union s offer for a utility player.
I like Jones and think he's a great addition to the side but how much do you pay on utility players and how much on starting choices.
Will he play centre above turner or Percival? So they will get more than him.
Will he get in the second row or loose ahead of Lms, vea, savelio, Wilkin, greenwood?
Then he is looking to compete with Richards and Thompson, I'd value him above these for his utility but if you're paying £70k+ to Jones everyone above gets more and they are not even the top earners.
Bar maybe the likes of Wilkins vea and Lms.
Talent wise yes I'd keep Jones every day but to pay that amount would mean shipping out someone above him in the pecking order of being a first choice pick.
You can't pay that much for utility.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"We've not swapped for Jones though.
If you're happy to pay Jones upwards of £70000 of cap(I think that was the rumoured amount) then we would not need to replace him.
We could not match Union s offer for a utility player.
I like Jones and think he's a great addition to the side but how much do you pay on utility players and how much on starting choices.
Will he play centre above turner or Percival? So they will get more than him.
Will he get in the second row or loose ahead of Lms, vea, savelio, Wilkin, greenwood?
Then he is looking to compete with Richards and Thompson, I'd value him above these for his utility but if you're paying £70k+ to Jones everyone above gets more and they are not even the top earners.
Bar maybe the likes of Wilkins vea and Lms.
Talent wise yes I'd keep Jones every day but to pay that amount would mean shipping out someone above him in the pecking order of being a first choice pick.
You can't pay that much for utility.'"
Peyroux wouldn't be coming over for less than that though would he?
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| Completely uninspiring signing. Using a quota spot for a squad player is daft. Could turn out awesome, probably won't be though
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Completely uninspiring signing. Using a quota spot for a squad player is daft. Could turn out awesome, probably won't be though'"
I've been wanting to ask this for ages - why is it daft to use a quota spot on a reserve? We're not clamouring to sign superstar Aussies into the starting 17, were not up to the limit this year, and if be very surprised if we were next year so why does it matter? Who can play that utility role currently in SL whose ooc and not demanding more than Peryoux? I have no idea why it matters.
People said Vea was a completely uninspiring signing and after 7 games were now counting the days until he returns. No body had heard of Quinlan and he's going okay - give him a chance.
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