Matt Dawson is the worst player i have ever seen playing for Saints. Forget the 10 mistakes a game he makes with ball in hand. He clearly cannot master whether to come in or stay out. Like the fat kid at school who's fell in love with the class beauty. The lad will try but so out of his depth it's not actually fair on him.

Haha you got me again. To be fair that result tonight was the best thing that could of happened to us going into the semi final and the worst for Leeds. I honestly believe that.

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It's a bad result. Especially after the Castleford game. Lack of personnel is killing us in the backs. Whether our new addition can offer much assistance remains to be seen.

That said, it's important to remain philosophical. Leeds hadn't won at home against us in ages so a defeat shouldn't come as a surprise. A win in the cup and this game will be a very distant memory.

We have nothing to lose, massive under dogs.

Not in the league but we (leeds) have won cup and play off games against you in the last couple of years

Got to give credit to Leeds. Fantastic attacking team. Big, fast backs, intelligent half backs, strong forwards and they ooze big game experience.

Roby and Walmsley were excellent tonight but we just look so light and lack pace in the backs. There's plenty of improvement in us though.

By ages, you mean last season?

Time for me to get a bet on us winning. The odds were terrible tonight. as was the team.

It's one of those games you've just got to close the door on. We made a ton of mistakes and we need to put them right.

The score resets to 0-0 in the Challenge Cup.

Your quotes are boringly repetitive and childish.
You seem incapable of normal communication.
Regards
Smart

Embarrassing stats: 46 missed tackles with 40% of them contributed by Wilkin, Walsh and Burns. Add in the factor of the very low completion rate in the first half, atrocious performance of the players.
Previous home game against Leeds: 49 missed tackless with Wilkin, Walmsley and Turner the major contributors. We don,t seem to learn anything about defence when playing Leeds.

Stat Wise Wilkin has now become the worst for missed tackles, penalties and caught up with Burns for errors, is this because he is playing "2 positions" during the game.

When is Vea back, we need some energy in the pack before Walmsley gets burnt out.

I would agree with you.The mistakes your lot were making and in your own 25 zone over and over and pretty much all schoolboy stuff happens very very rarely and by the time you cut it out we were 20 points up and game over.

It was a good win for us making the most of a calamitous night for you guys but no need for any inquests,the cup tie is still very much a 50/50 game imo.

No one can deny Leeds the Glory last night, a front row with a combined age of 104 and they made more ground and breaks than Saints, many here have said and agreed for ages Saints have been winning when they perhaps didn't deserve to, but last night they got caught out well and truly. Not knocking Cunningham, but I have doubts, it has been the we can still win mentality that has won many games but not last night.

Its just like any other team, you pick yourself up and prepare for next week, no excuses.

Got link to stats? I noticed Greenwood was missing tackles as well which he was when we was winning at the start of the year.

I counted walsh missed at least 8 tackles.

I thought robes was exclent last night and was best player on the pitch. Mose looked intersted and took the ball up strong but the rest Imo was totally disgusting and embarrassing!

Quote ="St pete"Got link to stats? I noticed Greenwood was missing tackles as well which he was when we was winning at the start of the year. I counted walsh missed at least 8 tackles. I thought robes was exclent last night and was best player on the pitch. Mose looked intersted and took the ball up strong but the rest Imo was totally disgusting and embarrassing!'" Stats: www.superleague.co.uk/report/11119 I,m expecting a response and a win against the Giants on Friday, its a poor super league this season with no consistency in performance by players, coaches and officials. When you look at Leeds that was only there 5th win in there last 10 games since we met them previously. Cas, Warrington and Wigan have also had bad patches. I reckon 1 more win we stay in the top 4, 2 wins for 3rd place, 3 wins for 2nd place……...…Leeds should stay top even with a possible loss at Wigan.

Quote ="St pete"Got link to stats? I noticed Greenwood was missing tackles as well which he was when we was winning at the start of the year. I counted walsh missed at least 8 tackles. I thought robes was exclent last night and was best player on the pitch. Mose looked intersted and took the ball up strong but the rest Imo was totally disgusting and embarrassing!'" Stats: www.superleague.co.uk/report/11119 I,m expecting a response and a win against the Giants on Friday, its a poor super league this season with no consistency in performance by players, coaches and officials. When you look at Leeds that was only there 5th win in there last 10 games since we met them previously. Cas, Warrington and Wigan have also had bad patches. I reckon 1 more win we stay in the top 4, 2 wins for 3rd place, 3 wins for 2nd place……...…Leeds should stay top even with a possible loss at Wigan.

Quote ="Judder Man"Stats: www.superleague.co.uk/report/11119 I,m expecting a response and a win against the Giants on Friday, its a poor super league this season with no consistency in performance by players, coaches and officials. When you look at Leeds that was only there 5th win in there last 10 games since we met them previously. Cas, Warrington and Wigan have also had bad patches. I reckon 1 more win we stay in the top 4, 2 wins for 3rd place, 3 wins for 2nd place……...…Leeds should stay top even with a possible loss at Wigan.'" On current form over the past 3 weeks, I can only see us getting the one win. I can't see us beating Warrington or hudds but we should have enough to beat hull KR. The hull KR game is the week before the semi so both teams might rest players carrying knocks.

Quote ="Judder Man"Stats: www.superleague.co.uk/report/11119 I,m expecting a response and a win against the Giants on Friday, its a poor super league this season with no consistency in performance by players, coaches and officials. When you look at Leeds that was only there 5th win in there last 10 games since we met them previously. Cas, Warrington and Wigan have also had bad patches. I reckon 1 more win we stay in the top 4, 2 wins for 3rd place, 3 wins for 2nd place……...…Leeds should stay top even with a possible loss at Wigan.'" On current form over the past 3 weeks, I can only see us getting the one win. I can't see us beating Warrington or hudds but we should have enough to beat hull KR. The hull KR game is the week before the semi so both teams might rest players carrying knocks.

I've seen us play worse with better players.

You can have a class side, but if they don't want to work then they will lose.

That wasn't even going through the motions though. Were all the players injected with some dropsy virus.

Really? I can't remember seeing us play that bad as we did in first 10 mins. As KC said it's probably the worst start in super league history.

Quote ="St pete"Really? I can't remember seeing us play that bad as we did in first 10 mins. As KC said it's probably the worst start in super league history.'" I was there for this debacle. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 917753.stm

Quote ="St pete"Really? I can't remember seeing us play that bad as we did in first 10 mins. As KC said it's probably the worst start in super league history.'" I was there for this debacle. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 917753.stm

Quote ="bewareshadows"I was there for this debacle. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 917753.stm'" I was but last nights dropped balls was unreal.

Quote ="bewareshadows"I was there for this debacle. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 917753.stm'" I was but last nights dropped balls was unreal.

I believe it took us 19 mins to complete our first set and our completion rate was the clubs lowest ever in that first half.

It was rather amusing watching Wilkin get his "defence" in early by lambasting the team during the after-match interview.





I think one of the biggest contributing factors is the strength of the competition this season. The lower-placed teams are both stronger and more physical and the top teams have had to work a lot harder to maintain their positions. Over the past six or seven weeks Saints, Leeds & Wigan have all begun to look tired. Our task is further complicated by this damnable injury situation which has meant players such as Roby and Walmsley, Wilkin, LMS etc. have had to work double shifts. It's noticeable that some of our guys seem drained in hot, stuffy conditions, too.

Quote ="bewareshadows"I was there for this debacle. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 917753.stm'" Christ, there was some real dross in that Saints line up.

Quote ="bewareshadows"I was there for this debacle. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 917753.stm'" Christ, there was some real dross in that Saints line up.

Compared to last night??

Wellens better than percival
Gardner better than dawson
Albert, better than Swift
Gilmour, better than fleming
Talau, = or better to Turner
Wilkin poorer than Walsh, but its getting closer since the injury.
Hooper = Burns
Fozzard, = Amor
Cunningham = Roby
Mason poorer than Mose
Edmondson better = wilkin (in the second row)
Feaunati poorer than greenwood
Fa'asavalu, better than Jones


J. Roby better than flanaghan
Bibey poorer than walmsley
Hardman poorer than Savellio
Bennett probably not as good as LMS, but he was a good workhorse.


Overall that back line would blow ours apart, even with Hooper and Wilkin as halfbacks.
Cunningham and Roby, would eat the current set up of Roby alone.
The pack is somewhat 50/50 and the subs are not a million miles apart.

Apart from Hardman, feaunati and Bibey, I'd swap most of that team. Actually Hardman would get in ahead of dawson and fleming.