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| Good on him. Incompetence of the highest order at the RFL over this one. It was a vile challenge. It was late, high and with the point of the shoulder aimed and impacting with the face. What makes it worthy of a 6+ match ban for me is the intent. Hull KR fans will tell you how hated Burns was at KR after he left them and this was a challenge in the first moments of the game, where Burns and Green hadn't had previous in the game. It was totally premeditated.
The RFL look foolish now. They will come out and fine McManus, but they must surely be able to see how daft the decision was.
Whilst I agree entirely with the statement from McManus, this is almost guaranteed to come back and haunt us. The next even borderline challenge by a Saints player will see a red and an entirely exaggerated response from the disciplinary committee just to prove a point.
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| Wow never heard so much dross from a bunch of fans than these billy big time Hull KR fans. Deluded springs to mind. Always knew there was good reason I wanted there superior neighbours to always smash them.
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| We've said it before, going back as far as the injury to Longy from the late charge down at huddersfield, it won't take much for a slight rule change that would completely change the mindset of some players.
If a player suffers an injury as a direct result of foul play, the RFL then have the capacity to suspend the offender for the duration not exceeding the length of time the injured player is out of the game.
Job done.
It would prevent the head hunters and late challenges on half backs.
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| Quote ="The Chief"We've said it before, going back as far as the injury to Longy from the late charge down at huddersfield, it won't take much for a slight rule change that would completely change the mindset of some players.
If a player suffers an injury as a direct result of foul play, the RFL then have the capacity to suspend the offender for the duration not exceeding the length of time the injured player is out of the game.
Job done.
It would prevent the head hunters and late challenges on half backs.'"
We don't need that rule, we just need the rules we have to be applied consistently and competently. It's quite simple.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"We don't need that rule, we just need the rules we have to be applied consistently and competently. It's quite simple.'"
How does the aussie points system work ? Would that not be a better option than the random bans we seem to dish out?
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| Shouldn't Mr McManus ask questions of the Saints medical staff as to why a player was allowed to play for 78 minutes with a triple fracture of the cheek? I don't think the hand off to Burns by Dixon when he scored his try will have helped the injury.
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| Quote ="Aldy"Shouldn't Mr McManus ask questions of the Saints medical staff as to why a player was allowed to play for 78 minutes with a triple fracture of the cheek? I don't think the hand off to Burns by Dixon when he scored his try will have helped the injury.'"
Maybe they'd left their portable x-ray machine back at Langtree Park by mistake.
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| Quote ="LFC Saint"Wow never heard so much dross from a bunch of fans than these billy big time Hull KR fans. Deluded springs to mind. Always knew there was good reason I wanted there superior neighbours to always smash them.'"
You'll be disappointed more often than happy then.
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| Quote ="MickeyMo"Maybe they'd left their portable x-ray machine back at Langtree Park by mistake.'"
I suppose that is a possibility. I do know from experience that a Doctor can diagnose a facial fracture pretty accurately without the aid of an X-ray machine.
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| Quote ="Aldy"I suppose that is a possibility. I do know from experience that a Doctor can diagnose a facial fracture pretty accurately without the aid of an X-ray machine.'"
But he can only go off what Burns tells him, if he constantly played down pain levels, and didn't react to various pokes and prods, it's incredibly difficult
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| Bottom line for me is that it was an obvious head shot so Burns should have been taken off the field and examined properly in the quiet of the dressing room. With a blow to the head if he gets back on within 15 minutes then it doesn't count in the interchange score. That's why this new rule was brought in and doctors should be strong enough to enforce it. A quick prod and poke whilst the game continues is just not good enough.
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| Quote ="LFC Saint"Wow never heard so much dross from a bunch of fans than these billy big time Hull KR fans. Deluded springs to mind.'"
You'll probably find it's posts like this from Saints fans over the last few days that have got our backs up.
Quote ="SLS"You see, my dear boy, we are St Helens. This isn't some rugby league backwater where laps of the field are appllcable following victory. This is a place where the club, fans, players, man on the street, expect to win, demand victory even. Not hope, not pray for a decent cup draw - no, none of that level of desperation. This is a place where self importance is instilled precisely because we are important. Our name resonates throughout the game; it's why you do laps of the field following victory over ourselves; it's why when the cup draw is made, you pray our name isn't pulled out; it's why you aren't surprised when yet another trophy is placed in our cabinet - it's because we are St Helens. This is the kind of club that James Green will want to play for when he inevitably decides his present rugby league backwater is no longer for him. Right now, he's fine. Should he become good then the likes of St Helens will roll into town. Self importance is a part of being an establishment like our own; it's part of our make up, if you will.
On the challenge, well Green was a lucky boy; however now our chairman, the most respected in the game and a man whom the authorities listen to has spoken publicly. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Green is dragged back for a further hearing. You see again, when St Helens' chairman speaks, the RFL listen. That's part of being whom we are also.
Cheerio now.'"
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| Quote ="Easty"You'll probably find it's posts like this from Saints fans over the last few days that have got our backs up.
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To add context you should post the link to the thread with some of the rubbish your lot posted, also take a peek over on Cherry and White (sadly) and take a look further down the list on this forum for a gloating thread made by one of your clowns called foorrrward or something to that effect.
Being honest losing to HKR is an irritant , as long as we are in the running for trophies come season end (which we normally are) I and most Saints fans won't care one bit about this loss. What has wound us up is that one of your props (who admitted he didnt like Burns apparently - so decide yourself if it was intentional) took out a key player for us for an extended period with a late and very dirty hit for which he didnt get sent off then got an insulting 1 match ban.
If you don't like what were saying you might be better off sticking to the HKR board and arguing with your good friends over the other side of your city
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| As usual McManus has spoken very well on a frustrating situation, hopefully the RFL will start taking notice of their inconsistency. No doubt Green should have received 3 or 4 matches as others in the past have.
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| Quote ="Aldy"Shouldn't Mr McManus ask questions of the Saints medical staff as to why a player was allowed to play for 78 minutes with a triple fracture of the cheek? I don't think the hand off to Burns by Dixon when he scored his try will have helped the injury.'"
Your simply guessing there unless of course you are a surgeon who has seen his x-rays and scans. It's just as likely it made no difference at all other than hurting like hell.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"Your simply guessing there unless of course you are a surgeon who has seen his x-rays and scans. It's just as likely it made no difference at all other than hurting like hell.'"
Bottom line for me is that it was an obvious head shot so Burns should have been taken off the field and examined properly in the quiet of the dressing room. With a blow to the head if he gets back on within 15 minutes then it doesn't count in the interchange score. That's why this new rule was brought in and doctors should be strong enough to enforce it. A quick prod and poke whilst the game continues is just not good enough.
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"Bottom line for me is that it was an obvious head shot so Burns should have been taken off the field and examined properly in the quiet of the dressing room. With a blow to the head if he gets back on within 15 minutes then it doesn't count in the interchange score. That's why this new rule was brought in and doctors should be strong enough to enforce it. A quick prod and poke whilst the game continues is just not good enough.'"
It's fair shout but the players themselves need to take some responsibility. Doctors should be able to tell the referee to order a player off if their being difficult, they've made it in football now that a doctor can't be overruled by a manager or coach
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"Bottom line for me is that it was an obvious head shot so Burns should have been taken off the field and examined properly in the quiet of the dressing room. With a blow to the head if he gets back on within 15 minutes then it doesn't count in the interchange score. That's why this new rule was brought in and doctors should be strong enough to enforce it. A quick prod and poke whilst the game continues is just not good enough.'"
Except it only doesn't count if the ref puts it on report ... Which, as discussed, at length, he didn't. It is also only applicable if concussion is the diagnosis. Which it wasn't.
The doctors would have had a full opportunity to examine at half time, with no need to interchange, but they can only go off what Burns tells them
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| Quote ="Aldy"Shouldn't Mr McManus ask questions of the Saints medical staff as to why a player was allowed to play for 78 minutes with a triple fracture of the cheek? I don't think the hand off to Burns by Dixon when he scored his try will have helped the injury.'"
Spot on Aldy! Within 5 minutes of it happening I was 99% certain he'd fractured his facial bones;the other 1% was for an x-ray to confirm how bad it was!The medical staff had a duty of care to Travis even if he was reluctant to come off wth adrenaline pumping through his veins.
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| I reckon the best thing to do is to leave it to the saints players if they see it as intention to injure Burns. Just wait until HKR come to Langtree Park and when Green arrives "gang tackle" him with legal challenges to the ribs, you never know he might not survive the onslaught to carry on in the game.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I reckon the best thing to do is to leave it to the saints players if they see it as intention to injure Burns. Just wait until HKR come to Langtree Park and when Green arrives "gang tackle" him with legal challenges to the ribs, you never know he might not survive the onslaught to carry on in the game.'" The best thing to do is to hit the sod with an assault charge.In my opinion it was a deliberate attempt to take out Burns,and it worked.Also it has been said before the disciplinary panel is unfit for purpose.(I wonder whose chairman said it?)
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| These fans with x ray vision could help halve the NHS waiting list!
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| It's a pity the Staint's medical team did'nt have a bit more clinical acumen during the game to take Travis off.
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| Quote ="Dwayne Dibley"It's a pity the Staint's medical team did'nt have a bit more clinical acumen during the game to take Travis off.'"
Would that have stopped the triple fracture? No it wouldn't! Him carrying on didn't make it any worse
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| This just gets better.......... Not only are we glossing over a deliberate late assault that fractures a cheekbone but the Saints medical staff are to blame for letting him play on.
Easy to see why the reasonable posters are losing any respect for KR but equally why supporting the thugs from over the lump is coming easy to them.
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