I know the have been talks but maybe they need to talk face to face or maybe it's already been sorted.

KC will be head coach and Louisi as assistant.

Sadly, I agree. I don't think he will have any trouble motivating the players, and can see us starting next season like a house on fire. But I don't think he will have the experience to come up with a plan B or C when things are going wrong, like they have this year. Brown's strength has been his ability to change things round when the wheels were coming off, and they have certainly come off big time this year, but he somehow brought home the silverware. Coaches that can do that are few and far between, I think KC may be in the Wane mould of doing great when things are going ok, but being unable to respond to situations when they arise. Hopefully, I am completely wrong about this, but that sort of experience takes time to develop.

Exactly my thoughts but I've spoke to KC many times this year and he's got nothing but good words to say about Brown and how hard Brown works. He says he's the BEST coach he's worked under and his methods are second to none.

Brown had his knockers on here ( unreal IMO ) but anyone who knows someone at the club will tell you he's a top top coach and I hope this as rubbed off on KC.

I was a little dubious when I heard that it was going to be Cunningham. BUT, we don't actually know how good a coach he is, we simply do not know.

I watched the Grand Final back again yesterday and watched all the stuff at the start too and Brown was very complimentary about KC's motivational qualities in an interview. Interesting to hear really. Tactical awareness will develop surely as he grows into the role. I don't think you can teach someone how to motivate.

If Long comes in as well (I think he will) then I think there is enough support there for KC. Look at Wane at Wigan. He has a great support staff there.

Wane had a very good mentor in McGuire and I think Brown will have had same effect on kc.

Sounds like a backward step if true.

I'm not 100% happy with it but I remember hudds and Wigan feeling same way when Paul Anderson and Wane was put in charge

Wane has a great support staff and a better squad than saints this year, including a full set of players in crucial positions. He's won nothing this year, and often looked really poor. Getting players fired up can go so far, as he did last year on the back of McGuire influence, but that has gone now, and all he has left is his dubious motivational fire them up tactics. I'm hoping KC has more to offer than that

I think you aren't giving Wane enough credit. I think he's proved to be more than just a fire them up coach.

Not happy about this myself, but I will give KC a chance.

Nothing would please me more than for KC to be a massively successful coach for us and he'll have my full support from the start

According to Mike Rush, it was predominently Cunningham who was responsible for the coaching in 2012.

Well, y'know, we don't all have the benefit of being in the 'in crowd' like you do!



I know someone who is well enough in with the Saints club that he was at the party last weekend and he holds a different view to you about Brown.

All that the rest of us mere mortals can judge on is performance and I've never been convinced. I've consistently said on here that we are a better team than many of our performances have shown and I've always believed our attitude has been the problem. And here we are, Champions. But then we showed a great attitude during the play offs. Thankfully, next season, there will be no working the system. We will have to show a good attitude throughout.

He had to work with a very different group of players in 2012. The recruitment by the club since then has been superb.

It is now younger, quicker, more balanced and more talented. Look at the players wearing 6 and 7 in 2015 and compare it to 2012. Same with the wingers. We now have a better forward pack too.

A league leaders shield, grand final win and a semi final defeat by a point to Leeds at headingley isn't a to shabby record in my mortal opinion.

Tell me, what was it Royce won ?

A P45.

Nice guy tho Royce. Shame he couldn't coach

Our six and seven were Wilkin and Hohaia in 2012 weren't they? Gaskell was dropped once Simmons left, bar I think two matches. Much as they were last year and quite often this year as well!

Our wingers? Tommy Makinson played much of 2012 because Gardner was injured. Sadly we did still have Meli, although Simmons wisely moved him to centre, a decision Cunningham/Rush foolishly reversed.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Gardner back on the wing if Cunningham does get the job on Monday.

The young players thought otherwise.

Funny how Brown was let go a year before his contract was up.

Shame no-one else did. He was useless, coaching marginally worse than his signings. Brown asked for a release for well documented family reasons how difficult is that to comprehend?
Simmons on the other hand was bombed out, thank god. Brown has gradually transformed the squad & age, brought through some quality youth & more ie Savelio on the way.
Then again it's highely possible everyone else is wrong & the minority of one spot on.

The answer to your first question is no. In 2012, our 6 and 7 where Hohaia and Lomax. So you got that one wrong!!!

Our wingers where Meli and Gardner initially. As the season went on Makinson came in and played well so kept his place in the side.

We had Wello at FB and our starting props where Laffranchi and Perry. We had Clough, Flannery and Puletua playing too.

Compare that with Amor and Walmsley as starting props. A quick and exciting back 3 of Lomax, Makinson and Swift. A half-back combo of Burns and Walsh (two actual half-backs). The potential of Percival. The youth and energy of the likes of Thompson, Richards and Greenwood (to name just three).

The side has been transformed from 2012. KC (if he does get the job) has a different team to coach.

He requested release which was granted.

Sia also had a year left on his deal and went a year early. Does that make him a bad player?

He requested permission to apply for the Wests job which was given and then the club 'willingly agreed' an early release 'regardless'. Fans have just swallowed it whole without question. How often do coaches receive such grace a year ahead of their contract being completed?


We've known all season about that. And there is nothing unusual in a player seeking an early return. Usually it's homesickness that gets them.

I knew in July that Brown wanted to go home and I also know the real family issues to why he's gone home. The wests job fell at the right time for him.

Brown will be remembered for laying the foundations of a good quality squad abd doing the double.


Royce will be remembered for his woeful recruitment, shocking team selections, only having 3 players on the bench, winning nothing and getting sacked.

I didnt. I asked 'weren't they?' Did you notice the question mark at the end? That means a question.


Indeed. Good job all those contracts came to an end when they did and that the chairman finally agreed to money being available for new players! But then we'd built the stadium by 2012 so the club's attention and resources could finally be refocused on to the pitch by 2013.