Strongly disagree with that mate. We need a extra forward. We need to build year on year with a blend of old, young and new blood. Sia and Manu are big losses and it's to much of a risk and a risk we tried before and failed.

I like to bring new blood in each year as it keeps the squad fresh and we should never need a massive rebuild like we've had to do the last 3 years.

Like Brown said post match, he was brought in to rebuild and structure the squad with youth and new blood. The likes of Walsh, Amor, walmsley and Manu have been great signings and the is also Turner and Mose who on their day can be very good. Add the kids like swift, Percy, Thompson, Richards, greenwood, Saveilo etc and we have a nice blend of old, new and young.

I'd like to bring a good experienced prop in who is a leader type, IMO we need a leader in the pack.

Completely agree, can't help but feel we missed out big time on Ashton Sims. Bryce Gibbs would probably top my target list of those out of contract for next year.

Simms would have been great but not so sure on his leadership qualities. Bryce Gibbs is a player I've always liked but again is he a leader ?

Someone in the Peacock, mozza, Hill mould is what we need.

I think Gibbs is from what I have seen. Below is a quote from Keith Galloway during his time at the Tigers with Gibbs:

“I learnt so much from Bryce in terms of coming off the line in defence. He used to always shout at you if you were not pulling your weight"

Another quote from Ben Ross:

"The glue to any team he’ll be in. He gets the boys together and we have a lot of fun around him and he makes us more of a team than people would really see."

Maybe he'd fit the bill then. I only watch him and no idea what he's like off the pitch but I've always liked him. Good tough prop.

We have Vea coming in from Broncos, and surely surely Richie Beaumont will be up to fitness next season?

I don't think we can depend on Beaumont with his injury record

Thompson is a direct replacement for Laffranchi - their stats are almost identical this year and the kids only going to get better.

Vea will be a good signing and a good replacement for Manu (though I know it's not necessarily a common held belief) - he is more reliant on other players putting him in positions to cause damage than Manu is from what I've seen, but the flip side is we have more invested in the halves.

LMS is Soliolas direct replacement imo, but that leaves us another prop short. I wouldn't rely on starting Richards and Thompson together yet, which is why another prop on top of what we already have would be great. As much as I'd like to think ghostmont could be that man, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Even including him, at the moment we have 5 props - that's not enough.

I think Amor can be our pack leader (in response to Pete) and as great as having a peacock/ hill/ Graham would be, I find it unlikely we'll find one for 2015.

Thompson and Richards will have another years experience and of course we have Savellio who is definitely ready for the first team squad

I still think one more prop is needed. Not the end of the world if we don't get one but I think another signing would complete a good looking squad for next year.

I'm not sure Amor has recovered from that knee yet. He's not been great since he came back and he's not playing the mins he was before so I think he's still carrying that knee.

Props of Amor, Walmesley, Mose, Beaumont, Thompson, Richards, Walker

2nd row of LMS, Vea, wilkin, Savellio, Forster and probably Wello as well

Jones can also cover backrow if needed, i think we've got forwards covered but if there's a 25yr old Lee Gilmour out there id snap them up too

And it should recover fine in the offseason to fulfil that role next year



Of course if jammer actually wanted to win a grand final I wouldn't say no

Forster has gone to Salford

I have it on good authority we want another prop for next year.

Wanting one is one thing, getting one who is decent is another entirely...

Thompson's a real winner for me. Tough and uncompromising.

We've got Sav for next year, too.

I think given the team we finished the year with we will only be better next year.

Sims is a good player but goes missing too often to be a great.

I really dont think we need another prop.
Amor, Walmesley, mose, Beaumont, Richards, Thompson and Savellio really can play prop as well

First 3 will be 3 first choice props, Beaumont as said would be nice to fit into the 4th slot, but can hardly be depended on, Richards is 19 and is a very good 5th choice prop IMO but not ready to be the starting 4 week in week out. Savelio is less ready and Thompson is going great in the back row and we should leave him there (one of our worst traits with youngsters is constantly moving them so they never fully learn their position - Jones is a perfect example of that).

We could probably scrap a 4th choice prop rotating Ghostmont Richards and Savelio, but that weakens our rotation for the other 3, and just isn't as neat as bringing another quality option in for the front row.

People say Sav isn't ready but i dont buy it. By the start of next season it'll be about 9 months since he almost single handedly ripped Leeds experienced pack to bits. 9 months on he should be well ready to start doing regular minutes in the first team.

Abililty wise, he's ready but mentally after his illness he's not been ready.

We have to build on next year. Vea and Burns are good signings and another prop would be great.

A starting rotation of Amor masoe walmsley and savelio doesn't have enough minutes in it (3 impact props definitely wouldn't work!) that's before you get into the "is he ready" argument

Savelio is going to be a very good player, and I expect to see him more next season (about 10 games same as Richards this year) - but that will be rotating/ covering walmsley/ Masoe/ Vea (if we want to give him a run at second row) and he should be able to do that very well with no noticeable drop in our overall quality - which is what you want from first choice back up...

But there's also no way to know how he'd react to week in week out performances, until he plays that back up role, it's all about drip feeding him in and not dropping him! Of course if he takes to it with the maturity and consistency Thompson showed I'm sure well find a regular place for him by the end of the year.

I think another prop is needed. We can't rely on Beaumont - he's been injured all year (most of his career, in fact), and we don't even know if he's any good. Savelio, as St Pete says, has all the ability in the world, but is still dealing with the aftermath of a serious illness and may well not be ready to take up a regular spot in the first team. I think the world of Greg Richards, but at 19 I'd prefer it if we could spell him on our own terms rather than having to rely on him as a front-line prop. And at the moment I see Thompson as a second row rather than a prop.

For me, one more experienced prop - a grafter like Amor rather than a blockbuster like Walmsley or Masoe - would complete this side nicely. Bryce Gibbs gets my vote.