If swift is wanting out (doubt it) he needs to give his head a wobble

My guess is he's upset about being left out of the team when so many are saying it's unfairly so, we all say were quitting when were frustrated with work to our friends and what we'd like to do to our boss etc - doing so is an entirely other matter.

I'd take Hock. I've intensely disliked him over the years but he's exactly what our pack needs, anyone in the red vee gets my support, apart from if we signed Greg Johnson.

As for Swift, he's under contract until end of 2017 so we could command a decent fee if he does push for it. As it is, I'd like him to stay and he needs to play this week for me.

Didn't Koukash say he will be free to go as long as the commercials made sense (or words to that effect)? I would assume he'd want to cover his investment, but who knows.

Player swap then?

This.

It wasn't long ago that our chairman was saying we have wooden men in iron ships. Masoe was supposed to bring a bit of that but sometimes you wonder if we signed him from Build A Bear not Penrith.

I'd love Hock at Saints.

Quality

youd need a bloody lot off stuffing mind

I hate Hock with a passion. But it would be an answer by McManus to my criticism over the years that he's far too conservative and isn't actually even attempting to win trophies. Signing such a reckless, maverick, who is as likely to destroy the club than help win a trophy would be a sign that things are improving.

Sounds like well all be finding out soon:



Meeting to agree terms on Thursday, confirm Monday, meeting Tuesday?

maybe the mad dr was so mad he scared hock into rational thought. In a " im mad but that bugger's lost it" kinda way?

Lets just say young swifty isn't happy at all.

Swift, who has a wonderful try scoring record, is a real threat with ball in hand, as well as being safe with kicks, has been scapegoated for defensive frailties on that side. It seems harsh to blame a winger for it, it seems even harsher to leave him out long term for a player as bang average as Dawson.

As mentioned elsewhere, I'd like to see him get a run at #1 for the rest of the season.

i basically agree with this, yes he made some defensive errors, but his attacking ability over Dawson (who isnt a great defender either!) puts him well ahead in my book

IF Hock came to Saints, would it mean you would focus you venom on him and leave poor Wello alone.

You're kidding. That won't stop until poor Paul retires.

That's hopeful.

You make him sound like a disabled war veteran. In reality he's a highly paid professional sportsman who used to be good 6 years ago.

true

We haven't had a line busting and offloading second rower since Derek McVey.

He was quality! I'd love somebody like that now.

if we sign Hock, the next signing might be Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi if he can play a decent standard of RL.

Sorry, I know that is in very poor taste , but Gareth "Head Banger" Hock - how many games would he miss because of brain farts?

I understand if Mods delete this post; but REALLY Gareth Hock in a Saints shirt, talk about selling your souls to the Devil?

Always good to get onside with the mods before posting

Yeah true....but what about Wello...??? In reality Hock hasn't shown a sustained run of good form for a few years and coupled with his tendency to get himself in trouble, often not even related with his playing aggression, and his age it would be foolish to take him on for the three or four games a season where he runs riot (against Leigh, Widnes, Wakefield and Salford).

And whomever said that a chairman should take on a player who'd likely help challenges for trophies as much as ruin the club, that philosophy has some merits (Sean Long). But if the said player only has one of those qualities (and not the good one) then surely it'd have to be a no.

I think Hock's ability is unquestionable, he's ripped us to shreds plenty of times. In terms of his on field activities he's exactly what we need to replace Sia and Manu (The decision to not give him a contract is annoying me more and more every day).

Ah, so that's the trick is it?

As for Saint in Wire's post, he's OK as he hasn't made a quip that some goon fans go whinging to the mods that it was in bad taste