....terrible.

Turner at 6 is hilarious. He cannot kick, he cannot pass, he cannot beat a man or attack the line either. He will take the ball, run to the line, do that horrific gay skip and fall over at the feet of the first man like he always does.

Lance stated he will be playing at 6. If the tampering has started even before the season has kicked off then the coach will be rightly getting stick again.

I actually let out a chuckle to myself at that!



Do you not rate Percival as a centre? Your comment that we are going into the season with no centres is a bit harsh.

All this 'we need someone to play off Walsh' is utter BS. Brown splits his HBs. Anyway, how on earth is someone who cannot pass to the standard required of a HB play 6?

I am baffled, unless we change our offensive structures. That didn't seem to be the case on Fri. Obviously it's a see how it goes sort of situation.

I'd rather give Wheeler or Charnock a chance than do something like this. But Wheeler looks like he'll play centre instead of Turner I think. Seems odd that he'd change the natural positions of two players.

Yeah I do, he looks a decent prospect. I'm just not sure he's up to first choice in the first team for a whole season yet, unless he's developed a bit physically since last season.

Didn't wheeler play in the halves against batley? In ideal world it would be wonderful for wheeler to step up, command the 6 role and fulfill all the promise he's shown. However, being as brittle as a twig means I'd be more worried if he was considered our only plan!

Charnock is probably a few years away from being ready to make the step up to super league from what I've seen.

6 and 7 were 1st and 2nd reciever most of the year so it's not as if they're totally separated - though I agree the concept of partnerships is less important than it once was.

It is on the face of it a strange one ...

Wheeler played right centre on Fri when he came on in the second half.

I agree Charnock is probably not ready but I wasn't saying he would be first choice. Wheeler has to be used. Definite last chance - I think he's in his last year anyway.

I don't think he did, did he? I'm pretty sure Jack Ashworth slotted in there with Wheeler going to 7.

The only comparison with pryce is colour and size. Pryce was quicker off the mark, had a genuine eye for a gap, better rugby brain and most importantly pryce had the winning mentality.

I posted regular last year how frustrated I get with Turner, he's got the makings of being a top player but seems to lack that extra effort. He's one of them players that "nearly" makes the break but just makes the half break.

If he puts the effort in, gets involved and actually runs at the line with convictition he could actually do a job of a running stand off but it's the other areas IMO he lacks.

Only time will tell.

I'm cautiously pleased at this news.

I'm not certain that Turner would be a success at 6, but I do feel pretty certain that Lance doesn't cut the mustard in that position. I reckon that Brown will go with Walsh at first receiver on both sides to maximise his control of the team, allowing Turner to run off him without too much creative responsibility.

The other bonus of this move is that we might see Lance play a full season as a rotation 9, which I think is the only position in which he'll ever make an impact as a Saints player.

It does leave us pretty thin in the centres, though; we might see a fair bit of Matt Dawson playing there.

Do you not think the lack of the second pivot will drain lomax of the ball?

I think Turner is a better option than Lance (thats not saying much) but Turner did show glimpses last year of the ability, perhaps with a preseason he could up his game enough.
As for the centres, think Percival and Jones will start there. We've also got Wheeler who knows its win or bust this season for him so he could interchange with percival or jones if either needs it. He'd also do a good job at 6 if Turner doesnt work or to cover injuries. But you just cant rely on his fitness.
Dawson and even Ade too can cover centres and wing so i think we've got ample cover there.

Hopefully not. I think Lomax will be the main focus of our attack so I'd be surprised if we made a move that starved him of ball. I don't think he'll see any less ball than he would with Lance at 6, put it that way. I think we might still see a fair bit of creative input from Wilkin - perhaps with him at 2nd receiver on one side and Turner at 2nd receiver on the other, with Walsh at 1st receiver all the time.

I can see the idea of Turner going to 6 as he is big strong lad who should really break tackles but if it's the same performances he put in at 6 last year with that hop skip step and the run across the pitch and pass inside then it's not good enough as it's to predicable.

Hopefully with a full pre season at 6, he will have more idea of the stand off position.

thats what i'm hoping for

I don't recall Leon being that crash hot when he moved to 6.

For his first full year he spent the vast majority of his time stood behind the dummy half.

Which is a nice position to be in as you can inject yourself in and out of the game. So yes he could spot a gap because he had a year of basically watching the game.

Prior to that he was a fast runner on the wing, but he was also exposed at times.

I'm not saying Turner is the new Leon, but if we can take a winger and play him at 6 and in the end get a decent player out of him then there are possibilities.
Also brown has form at Huddersfield where he pulled Kevin Brown in and made him an effective 6.

I would rather have one bought off the shelf and I agree Lance is a utility player. But given we did not buy a 6, this maybe the very best we can do give we did not buy one.

I will as usual reserve judgement for the first 10 games (as always).

I see Saddened has found a new Wello.



Turner has no talent no that's just poor.



Now that does not shock me.



Again really he has offered nothing, I did not get to 100% of games last year but he offered a damn site more than some at times last year.



His defending was not horrendous. This is just made up. Also the 6 does not normally defend much further in than the centre.



Taking that course of action would cost us money in the courts and would deter future players from signing, showing us to be a club that does not honour contracts. So rather than spending a fee on Amor we would have spent his fee in court. If the player does not want to go you can't force him out and if no one wants to offer him anything were does he go.



So basically most of your statement is made up and fantasy talk. There are sensible critics of this alleged move but no one jumps off the deep end like Saddened.

Realistically at 6 we have Wheeler/Lance and Wilkin. Turner is a left field choice. But given Wheelers injury record and 2 years of Lance not showing much. It's an option that is a gamble but it's not a Tricky Trindle gamble. The fall back would still be there if it did not work. But like I say Brown has form of converting players.

One of our best players ever at 6, started in the 2nd row.

Everything you say is true about pryce but with one crucial detail missing: when he wanted to.

Whilst I was skeptical of turner as a signing he really won me over last year - though he was definitely in the category of when we played well he played well and when we played dire he was very dire (along with lms) - if he can force himself into the game better than I think he will go well. But as you say only time will tell

after all, until he's actually on the pitch playing stand off this could all be speculation!

Exactly.

When we were on top he was great, but if we were struggling in a game he disappeared

I think Turner can be a great player but he lacks that extra effort and that killer instinct to go for a gap. It's hard for me to put in words what I mean with Turner but he's a player that really frustrates me. He's got everything to be a top player with his size, speed, footwork etc but he's just to soft or half hearted.

If Turner can play as I think he can, he could be a decent running 6 but he's got to improve a hell of a lot IMHO.

I think some of you (saddened) are forgetting how well Turner finished the season last year. He was putting makinson in for tries with some cracking service.

However, he featured at 6 a couple of times and was poor. He's looks to be the sort of player who shouldn't be given the task of (or time for) too much thinking.
No worse than Lance, but you'd be better leaving him in the centres were he was making a decent fist of it.

Unless we've signed another centre?

We have, Matty Dawson.

Our centres will be wheeler, Percival, Jones and Turner. That's my big worry, he will swap and change them left right and centre.

If he sees Turner as our 6, he should give him a good run at it and not swap him as soon as he has a bad game. To much messing about from Brown with the team selection IMO. I'm all for resting forwards but not backs. Centres and wingers needs to develop partnerships and so does the halves.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds this a bit baffling.

I can see why people have compared Pryce with Turner in terms of style but Leon Pryce at his peak was a brilliant individual player, far better than Jordan Turner at this stage. He also had Sean Long alongside him to ease the pressure.

Walsh could be a fantastic player to be fair and it'd certainly be easier for Turner to play 6 alongside a natural half back than one filling in like Wilkin was, but I still don't see it based on the limited games he's played there. He's had his better games at Centre for us.

Hohaia is a poor option but he's probably the safest option as he doesn't really pick up injuries and he does an OK job without really threatening.

Wheeler is a talented 6 but his season has ended by easter for the last 3 or 4 so to rely on him would be insane at this stage.

Wilkin is a decent option although you lose out from the pack the (and he's not a naturla 6 really), so that's the dilemma you have. Does he play a Sinfield type role or do you keep him at loose for his work rate and defence?

It's a problem position for us and whilst we're stronger with Walsh there I imagine the 6 position will provide plenty of discussion this year and it's somewhere we'll probably be looking to recruit at the end of the season along with the Centre spot.

Personally, I don't think Dawson will feature too much this year, else he'd of had a squad number in the 25. I think he will fit wellens "utility role" next year and then hopefully progress for a spot after that.

As has been said relying on wheeler for anything has proved a dangerous game - I would still be baffled if he wasn't used in the halves for the 3 games he's fit for this year.

Jones and Percival to fight it out for the left centre spot. That should be a good contest, and whilst it will be under the guise of one needs resting, it'll be whoever a playing better which should be good for the team.

It only leaves right centre as a problem, before this it was turners comfortably, so my only conclusion can be someone else is coming in. We were linked to yeaman before Christmas, and personally that seems far too random for someone to have just made it up, so maybe we have found another centre to be brought in?

I don't think we would be bringing anyone in at this stage. I imagine Jones and Percival will start at centre v Warrington with Turner at 6 and Wheeler as back up for both positions.