But then it wouldn't a goon t0$$er posting it would it?

Leeds came back from a bigger deficit in the 2011 CC final. 16-0 to 16-16. Unlucky not to win the game in the end.

I've got to take my hat off to the Ape though wining the double. It's got to be the worst team on paper to ever win a cup never mind the double.

Wigan always work hard and play for each other.

The standard and quality of Superleague is certainly going down hill. You only have to look at our own team we have been rubbish for most of the season and in theory should have been out of the top 8, we win some games at the back end of the season and finish 5th.

Thats the major factor that keeps them in contention,they have a couple of really good players and the rest are just very comited hard working and aggresive.Its an attitude we could do with at Saints.

Agreed! But even their do called "superstars" put the work and effort in. Look how committed Sam Tomkins is, he's prob 13st soaking wet but puts his body on the line.

The hip is a joint fwiw.

No way!

You could say that 50% of tackles are aimed for the joint if you look at it that way.

The tackle was 100% legal without a shadow of a doubt.

Maybe we have learned how to use the cap and not blow it on a first team full of stars who don't play as team like we did in years past. We have world class players, good solid players and squad fillers and this year unlike last SW managed to rotate them around and keep things fresh.

And I agree the Hanson tackle was legal but I can see why the debate. The one tackle I was surprised we was not pulled for was the one two minutes into the second half, I cant remember the Wire player and I think it was Taylor who hit his knees.

It was legal, and I don't think anyone would have Hansen down as a dirty player.

Wane has got these players believing in his own work ethic. But, the BIG transformation has come through the backroom staff. Mark Bitcon has to be one of Wigans best signings over the last ten years.

Also if you look at the Wigan team last night eleven of them have come through the clubs academy, that has to be the way forward for all teams.

JEALOUS

Once we were guaranteed top 4 we stopped playing in the League. That is the weakness of SL something that Leeds and us have learnt now. After we got the top 4 spot look at the difference between the CC games results with the play offs and compare it to the league form. Players as dubairl says last season went into games wwanting to win everyone and trained hard all season. This season nursed players into the CC final and did the same going into the playoffs. And it worked. If we were 5 points clear the same time last season it would have been a cert we would have finished top. But Wane learnt a valuable lesson and used the system to his advantage.

I do not like the top 8 it punishes the side wanting to win every game. It needs changing.

I assume he developed this after he retired from playing. How you enjoying the ban on Redvee btw? It's wonderful without you.

If it's so good on there what are you doing on here?

You are capable of some very lucid discussion. No need to call him puerile names. And winning a cup, or two, probably means it isn't the worst team, on paper or otherwise.
I know it's hard to give respect, even grudgingly, but there's no need for disrepect.

It'd be churlish to not offer congratulations to our rivals, after all we'd hope they'd offer congratulations to us if we were in their position. You can only beat what's in front of you, so hats off to Wigan and well done.

It only makes me more eager for Saints to bring silverware to Langtree Park so we can enjoy it as much as our rivals! Let them celebrate, they've earned the right.

I'll call him what I like but I'm not showing Wigan lack of respect, I'm actually giving Wigan and the Ape a compliment.

If you think this current Wigan team is as good as other double winning teams then your deluded. IMO, it's the worst team on paper to win the grand final.

Wigan showed great heart, never give up attitude, pride in the shirt, hard work and the will to win. They are well drilled team with IMO one works class player in Tomkins.

Indeed, you get what you deserve in this game and Wigan have the earned the right to become champions. It's upto us and everyone else to catch them.

Roll on next season.

The one thing we must learn from wi*an?

That interbreeding with siblings makes for odd looking offspring?

There will be some interesting developments in the next week or so with Wigan and Saints fighting on the same side.

Whaaaaaaaaat? You can't tease that and not follow through?

It's about the proposed league structures, nothing we don't already know.

There's also been a lot of fuss over the cash prizes for the GF with clubs saying it's not enough.

Sounds as though Lenegan is leading an effective revolt of SL clubs over the RFL's failure to provide sponsorship or satisfactory coverage for the game. Could potentially scupper the proposed restructure. This is from Chris Irvine on Twitter.