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| Did anybody else notice it when he said that he'd seen a player play before (Swift I think it was)?
Strange as he would have to have gone to an U20s game to see him.....
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| Quote ="DaveTwentyman"Is nobody else slightly uncomfortable about another teams coach commentating on our players 'positions' or whatever? '"
i think it mainly happened just because he was directly asked about hohaia playing at 6 by the presenter.
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| Quote ="the wrestler"i think it mainly happened just because he was directly asked about hohaia playing at 6 by the presenter.'"
You're right mate...i am just being over sensitive to it, just wished he'd have just left it as 'he's a great player'. I wonder if Huddersfield fans were bothered.
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| Quote ="Albion"Did anybody else notice it when he said that he'd seen a player play before (Swift I think it was)?
Strange as he would have to have gone to an U20s game to see him.....'"
like when our u20's plays Hudds u20's? there's not always a conspracy!
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| Quote ="Albion"Did anybody else notice it when he said that he'd seen a player play before (Swift I think it was)?
Strange as he would have to have gone to an U20s game to see him.....'"
Do you mean jones?
Brown made comment on jones saying he's watched him and thinks hes very talented.
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| Quote ="St pete"
I feel sorry for lance because he's made his nane as a world cup wining fullback but can't get a look in there due to wello being in form.
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You really think the slug has been in form?!
He may have scored a few times yesterday but he was shown up a number of times yesterday when Widnes just strolled past him as the final man.
In fact I think he's been one of your biggest problems all year. I'm not sure what's keeping him in the squad, leadership or sentiment, but if rush had sense he would've had hohia to FB on his arrival.
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| I think people are being a bit harsh on Hohaia. I think he's going OK, he's not what you expect from a world cup winning player I know but he is throwing some good passes and looks dangerous with ball in hand. Yesterday the camera zoomed out a few times and you could see him giving out the orders in attack.
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| Quote ="ChrisPie2"You really think the slug has been in form?!
He may have scored a few times yesterday but he was shown up a number of times yesterday when Widnes just strolled past him as the final man.
In fact I think he's been one of your biggest problems all year. I'm not sure what's keeping him in the squad, leadership or sentiment, but if rush had sense he would've had hohia to FB on his arrival.'"
I think he has played very well since the bulls game and we badly missed him on good Friday.
He was made to look stupid when Hanbury walked past him but sia can miss tackles but he's being bigged up ever week, roby give a shocking pass to LMS but that don't make him a bad player.
I think wello is passed his best and maybe does need replacing but IMO he's the best fullback at the club.
Players make mistakes and it certainly don't mean they are rubbish.
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| Quote ="TheVee"I think people are being a bit harsh on Hohaia. I think he's going OK, he's not what you expect from a world cup winning player I know but he is throwing some good passes and looks dangerous with ball in hand. Yesterday the camera zoomed out a few times and you could see him giving out the orders in attack.'"
I feel for lance, I like him and think he's a god player but he's not playing well and been asked to play a postion he just can't play. He's had one good game at #6 against Leeds but other than that he's been poor.
I noticed yesterday that we've took the kicking off him (about time) as he's shocking at kicking.
Nothing against lance but please get a experinced halfback in and lets get back to playing good rugby.
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| Quote ="St pete"He's had one good game at #6 against Leeds but other than that he's been poor.'"
That could be said for the whole team though.
However, I don't think Lance is poor. I just think he needs time to adjust to the position, which he hasn't played in a few years, to being over here and to playing for Saints. He's already had to deal with a change in coach, which is probably something he wasn't anticipating.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"That could be said for the whole team though.
However, I don't think Lance is poor. I just think he needs time to adjust to the position, which he hasn't played in a few years, to being over here and to playing for Saints. He's already had to deal with a change in coach, which is probably something he wasn't anticipating.'"
I can se what your saying but I think it's pretty clear he's not a halfback. I for one didn't get carried away from his one good game at 6 against Leeds.
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| for me lance looks like the perfect impact hooker
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"for me lance looks like the perfect impact hooker'"
I honestly think brown will play him off the bench.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"for me lance looks like the perfect impact hooker'"
Fully agree, isn,t that what his purpose was in the NRL.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Fully agree, isn,t that what his purpose was in the NRL.'"
Before his injury and the emergence of Kevin locke he was first choice fullback for club and country but finished his last year as a utility player and started hooker in the grand final.
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| Hohaia never made anywhere close to the number of mistakes he is right now in the NRL. To me he looks like he's still struggling to come to terms with the position, his teammates and the gameplan. That will all come - in time. But demanding that he be an effective and consistent primary playmaker is pure fantasyland. Hohaia is an attacking counterpoint and works best as such.
He isn't a natural scrum half but that's where I'd play him (it's noticeable that Brown mentioned that role in the lead up) with Gaskell at six and Roby and Lomax alternating out of the dummy half (Roby shunting to LF when Lomax drops into nine).
This combination would give us the attacking flexibility to really break up the defence. And looking at the way Huddersfield set their attacking pivots I wouldn't be the least surprised if Brown runs with something similar.
For now we're just going to have to be patient with Hohaia. He's too good of a player to let this bad form carry on for long. But Rush and Co. have to give him something to work with. Lance can't take full responsibility for a team he has yet to get to grips with. And since Lomax isn't the most tactically minded player this means Gaskell has to play.
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| Lance never gets the credit for some of the passes he throws and his tackling of players above his weight puts some of our forwards to shame. If Roby stopped trying to win every game on his own maybe other players may see some of the ball.
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| Quote ="roader"Lance never gets the credit for some of the passes he throws and his tackling of players above his weight puts some of our forwards to shame. '"
That's a good point. Was it 63 tackles he put in against Hull? That's a phenomenal amount of work. Which certainly puts to rest any claims he's here for an easy paycheck.
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| Hohaia is a good player, but I think he's taking time to adjust to the way we play and his position. He's already played 3 positions for us and has only just strung a few games together at 6. I think he'll turn out to be a good signing in the long run, we'll just have to be patient with him.
That doesn't hide the fact that I think we made a big blunder in releasing Leon Pryce, a naturally classy number 6 who hasn't picked up an injury this year.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"That's a good point. Was it 63 tackles he put in against Hull? That's a phenomenal amount of work. Which certainly puts to rest any claims he's here for an easy paycheck.'"
To be fair, I don't think anyone has suggested he's come for a easy paycheck as he's certainly putting the effort in.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"=#FF0000Hohaia never made anywhere close to the number of mistakes he is right now in the NRL. To me he looks like he's still struggling to come to terms with the position, his teammates and the gameplan. That will all come - in time. But demanding that he be an effective and consistent primary playmaker is pure fantasyland. Hohaia is an attacking counterpoint and works best as such.
He isn't a natural scrum half but that's where I'd play him (it's noticeable that Brown mentioned that role in the lead up) with Gaskell at six and Roby and Lomax alternating out of the dummy half (Roby shunting to LF when Lomax drops into nine).
This combination would give us the attacking flexibility to really break up the defence. And looking at the way Huddersfield set their attacking pivots I wouldn't be the least surprised if Brown runs with something similar.
For now we're just going to have to be patient with Hohaia. He's too good of a player to let this bad form carry on for long. But Rush and Co. have to give him something to work with. Lance can't take full responsibility for a team he has yet to get to grips with. And since Lomax isn't the most tactically minded player this means Gaskell has to play.'"
He did, hence his nickname "Howler"
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Hohaia never made anywhere close to the number of mistakes he is right now in the NRL. To me he looks like he's still struggling to come to terms with the position, his teammates and the gameplan. That will all come - in time. But demanding that he be an effective and consistent primary playmaker is pure fantasyland. Hohaia is an attacking counterpoint and works best as such.
He isn't a natural scrum half but that's where I'd play him (it's noticeable that Brown mentioned that role in the lead up) with Gaskell at six and Roby and Lomax alternating out of the dummy half (Roby shunting to LF when Lomax drops into nine).
This combination would give us the attacking flexibility to really break up the defence. And looking at the way Huddersfield set their attacking pivots I wouldn't be the least surprised if Brown runs with something similar.
For now we're just going to have to be patient with Hohaia. He's too good of a player to let this bad form carry on for long. But Rush and Co. have to give him something to work with. Lance can't take full responsibility for a team he has yet to get to grips with. And since Lomax isn't the most tactically minded player this means Gaskell has to play.'"
He did make mistakes but usually waited till he was on his own line in a big game, Meli style.
The last few week has proved IMO that Gaskell's future at Saints is in doubt and for me he is highly over rated.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He did, hence his nickname "Howler"'"
I said he didn't make [ithis number[/i of mistakes - not that he didn't make any mistakes.
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"That doesn't hide the fact that I think we made a big blunder in releasing Leon Pryce, a naturally classy number 6 who hasn't picked up an injury this year.'"
It's only a blunder in hindsight. Let us not forget Pryce's form was hardly stellar when we let him go.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"
However, I don't think Lance is poor. I just think he needs time to adjust to the position, which he hasn't played in a few years, to being over here and to playing for Saints. He's already had to deal with a change in coach, which is probably something he wasn't anticipating.'"
Well said.
Yesterday what he did well was the subtle and little-noticed plays - the unselfish stuff. Yes, he got bagged a few times trying to work a play, but I can live with that on the odd occassion.
Royce never got anything like a performance out of Hohaia, probably a combination of Hohaia being new to the club & having to get used to gameplays/players, and Royce not having an effective gameplan (and the team lacking cohesion & confidence as a result)
In the games since Rush/KC have had the reigns, Hohaia - playing at 6 - has put in a stormer against Leeds, a very good performance against Wire, been isolated against wi*an when Lomax went off early, and had one of those games against Widnes where the very visible stuff didn't come off (like many players in the second half, likely trying to do the showboating thing as Widnes had looked like conceding every time we got into their half in the 20-40 minutes period)
He's therefore played 4 games at stand off for Saints (since Royce left) and I think it's ridiculous to write him off as a stand off in that time - especially when he's put in two great performances against two of the best teams in the competition in those four games.
I'd rather wait another 10-12 games before I judge whether he's going to be a good enough No6 or not.
But, having watched Saints since 1984/5, I know how fond my fellow Saints fans are of piling into a player and creating a bogeyman out of them - something that seems to gather a momentum of its own and, over the years, has led to players losing all confidence and never reaching the heights they're capable of.
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