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has Carvell's head tackle in the first half been reported?
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I didn't notice any at the game but when I watched it back I did notice it. I think both are worthy of a ban of I'm being honest. I don't think the was any intention to hurt anyone but they did look dangerous.
They may get away with no bans based on having good records but I'm not holding my breath. These things happen and we just have to adapt.
Makinson to fullback and TP in at prop isn't to bad at all.
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| Quote ="EHW"has Carvell's head tackle in the first half been reported?'"
yep he was found no charge to answer First contact with upper chest. Penalty sufficient |
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Im surprised they didn't try to take Hohaia down too, the amount of bad tackles he was dishing out on Friday was astonishing!. Can't go anywhere without their legs Lancey boy!
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| Quote ="Dux"I don't remember seeing anything dodgy involving Wellens, but I must admit I have been expecting to hear more about the Laffranchi one.'"
Same for me. I was certain Laffranchi would face a ban as that was a bad tackle. But for the life of me I can't remember what Wello did to attract a ban, other than flap his arms and screem at the ref to a highly embarrassing degree. |
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Same for me. I was certain Laffranchi would face a ban as that was a bad tackle. But for the life of me I can't remember what Wello did to attract a ban, other than flap his arms and screem at the ref to a highly embarrassing degree.'"
He had Briers upside down in a tackle,and given the letter of the law it was a dangerous position |
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Bit of a blow to lose both, Wellens is proving the critics wrong (including myself) with some strong performances in recent weeks. Laffranchi has been good all season, a really astute signing.
TP in for Laffranchi isn't a problem though and hopefully Wheeler should come in to strengthen us in the backs. Makinson to step in at full back to keep the half backs the same.
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For me I'd put Makinson in at Full Back.
Wheeler back in the centre to Meli.
Puletua at 2nd Row and rotate Clough, Perry, Magennis and LMS at prop. May help to bring TP/Soliola at prop at some point to add a bit of grunt
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| Quote ="brook40"He had Briers upside down in a tackle,and given the letter of the law it was a dangerous position'"
I've just watched the first bit back again and I must have been looking away from the TV when it happened as it was pretty obvious really. Hate to say it but it deserves a ban. Very stupid by Wello.
I can't say I have a problem with either of the bans, other than we will obviously be two players short. But we beat Wigan in the playoffs last year with half the first team out so I'm sure the coaching collective can cope. |
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Surely Wellens good record will count for something, has he even been infront of the panel before?
He had a no case to answer last year, so it went no further than a report.
Had 2 similar cases in 2010 with no case to answer.
So has never actually been to a tribunal before. Although I don't know how far back the electronic records go. With that kind of record a letter and a slap on the wrists should be sufficient if the tackle was with him on his knees.
No idea what La Franki has as an NRL record, but he could take a guilty plea and one match and be back for Cas
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Very strange that the majority of players cited are from the games that have been televised this weekend. Do the panel watch all games or just a select few.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I've just watched the first bit back again and I must have been looking away from the TV when it happened as it was pretty obvious really. Hate to say it but it deserves a ban. Very stupid by Wello.
I can't say I have a problem with either of the bans, other than we will obviously be two players short. But we beat Wigan in the playoffs last year with half the first team out so I'm sure the coaching collective can cope.'"
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Wellens is trying to steal the ball isn't he? I've just watched it back and there is no way he intends to do that. Briers only lifts up as he digs his studs in and drives them forward. It's a nothing incident.
Laffranchi's isn't bad either. He isn't lifted high off the floor and lands on the middle of his back between his shoulder blades. In the good old days it would have been a letter about his technique and a fine. There were worse high shots that went unpunished and Morley's elbow on Perry which again has been ignored. Briers' grapple tackle on Wellens was also as bad as Wello's on Briers.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Wellens is trying to steal the ball isn't he? I've just watched it back and there is no way he intends to do that. Briers only lifts up as he digs his studs in and drives them forward. It's a nothing incident.
Laffranchi's isn't bad either. He isn't lifted high off the floor and lands on the middle of his back between his shoulder blades. In the good old days it would have been a letter about his technique and a fine. There were worse high shots that went unpunished and Morley's elbow on Perry which again has been ignored. Briers' grapple tackle on Wellens was also as bad as Wello's on Briers.'"
What a load of rubbish. If it had been our players upended on their heads you would have been bleating like mad if Wire had been let off. They were both bad tackles, regardless of whether they were deliberate or simply reckless. They both deserve bans because they both involved putting a player on their head. That is dangerous even when it's a Wire player being put on their head. (If it had been Wigan players, of course, that would have improved them no end) |
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Disappointing to lose both but neither is insurmountable given that they've missing a few of their n00bs.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"What a load of rubbish. If it had been our players upended on their heads you would have been bleating like mad if Wire had been let off. They were both bad tackles, regardless of whether they were deliberate or simply reckless. They both deserve bans because they both involved putting a player on their head. That is dangerous even when it's a Wire player being put on their head. (If it had been Wigan players, of course, that would have improved them no end)'"
I'm not saying they weren't dangerous, I'm questioning the intent. You can get away with not being banned if you didn't intend to cause harm, which neither did. Someone mentioned Wellens has never been before the disciplinary committee before. Given Ryan Bailey escaped a ban about 94 times because he'd never previously been banned, I'd say it would be mighty harsh to ban him for that.
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Have they both pleaded guilty or are they going to appear before the panel of officials?
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"Bit of a blow to lose both, Wellens is proving the critics wrong (including myself) with some strong performances in recent weeks. Laffranchi has been good all season, a really astute signing.
TP in for Laffranchi isn't a problem though and hopefully Wheeler should come in to strengthen us in the backs. Makinson to step in at full back to keep the half backs the same.'" |
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| Just read on Twitter there both at an hearing tonight?  |
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| Quote ="Rommel"Just read on Twitter there both at an hearing tonight?
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| Quote ="RedVeeSte"So they havent taken the EGP?'"
No must fancy there chances |
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| Quote ="Rommel"No must fancy there chances
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I have a feeling Wellens will get off but lefrenchie won't.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I have a feeling Wellens will get off but lefrenchie won't.
Didn't Wellens miss the last Good Friday derby at KR?'"
Wellens should. I think Laffranchi would be unlucky to get a 2 match ban as well. It's his first referral here and it wasn't a bad spear. Before this season it would have been a classic 'letter about technique' case. The legs aren't lifted high and he lands on his back. |
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Quote ="SaintsFan"What a load of rubbish. If it had been our players upended on their heads you would have been bleating like mad if Wire had been let off. They were both bad tackles, regardless of whether they were deliberate or simply reckless. They both deserve bans because they both involved putting a player on their head. That is dangerous even when it's a Wire player being put on their head. (If it had been Wigan players, of course, that would have improved them no end)'"
I have not seen the incidents so could not say whether there was intent or not, whether they where dangerous or not. But just because you feel they are deserving of a ban does not make it the actual penalty that will be given.
You have to take into account player records even if they are found guilty and intent is also a factor in the penalty given.
My point is Wellens has an excellent record and so will probably not recieve the full 2 matches. If there is a lack of intent, then he may not get one match. You may feel that all these types of tackles deserve a certain penalty but the justice system does not work that way.
Hence Brent webb shoving a ref which carries a 3 match ban, was found guilty, but due to a lack of intent and an excellent prior record, just got a fine. So taking this as a marker you can see why Wellens if he is found guilty may not be banned. It about what the court is likely to do not what we would do.
www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3406
So if a more serious offence can be reduced to a fine due to no priors I would expect the same for Wello. I have no idea of La Franki's previous records hence can't say what mitigation he may get.
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Quote ="SaintsFan"What a load of rubbish. If it had been our players upended on their heads you would have been bleating like mad if Wire had been let off. They were both bad tackles, regardless of whether they were deliberate or simply reckless. They both deserve bans because they both involved putting a player on their head. That is dangerous even when it's a Wire player being put on their head. (If it had been Wigan players, of course, that would have improved them no end)'"
I have not seen the incidents so could not say whether there was intent or not, whether they where dangerous or not. But just because you feel they are deserving of a ban does not make it the actual penalty that will be given.
You have to take into account player records even if they are found guilty and intent is also a factor in the penalty given.
My point is Wellens has an excellent record and so will probably not recieve the full 2 matches. If there is a lack of intent, then he may not get one match. You may feel that all these types of tackles deserve a certain penalty but the justice system does not work that way.
Hence Brent webb shoving a ref which carries a 3 match ban, was found guilty, but due to a lack of intent and an excellent prior record, just got a fine. So taking this as a marker you can see why Wellens if he is found guilty may not be banned. It about what the court is likely to do not what we would do.
www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3406
So if a more serious offence can be reduced to a fine due to no priors I would expect the same for Wello. I have no idea of La Franki's previous records hence can't say what mitigation he may get.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows" I have no idea of La Franki's previous records hence can't say what mitigation he may get.
All this is based on a guilty verdict too, and they may get found not guilty.'"
If I were a betting man I'd put money on them both receiving no ban if they were isolated incidents. BUT with two players from the club being up and Wigan crying about their squad and trying to influence the decision, I doubt both will escape. If it's true that Wellens has never been banned before he has a decent chance. But I suspect that will mean Laffranchi cops one game.
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