the first rule of gleesongate is you dont talk about gleesongate

He certainly is, and a better prospect than Logan Tomkins IMO. But as you all know I like Mickey Mac.

Do you think he is?
How much did you see of Botica?

to be fair richards is better, botica was of a time when Wigan could afford to keep a kicker in the side because the other 12 players were so good. Richards is one of the best wingers in the league without his kicking

I saw frano botica play when I was growing up and IMO pat Richards is twice the player frano botica was.

I rather think Wane was talking about the kicking.

And what do you think, bearing in mind that Botica left Wigan in 1996.

Pat Richards is a very good plus a decent kicker, better than Botica in playing ability. I would say that Frano was a fairly average RL player with an exceptionally good kicking ability. Kicking can and does win games and players will secure shirts on the basis of their value with the boot.

Frano Botica was vastly underated as a player. I remember him making Anthony Sullivan look daft on more than one occasion. He wasn't as good as the fella they had on the other wing, but who was?

Any talk of him being a "Sean Day" type is complete nonsense.

spot on, another thing with Frano was that he was very versatile and could play full back, wing, stand off or scrum half would make a difference in any of those positions. He was more than just a good goal kicker.

lmao, in my opinion would have to agree that roby is up there with the best in the world and on his day is the best but so can anybody on hthere day, think wane might got carried away with the performance against leeds. if mcilorum plays like that week in and week out he might start being able to challenge the top hookers in the league but atm he needs to go to a consistent level of that performance.

It seems the ape is now on twitter. @shaunwane.

ask every SL fan which hooker they would have in there team and i would say 100% of them would say roby

Was really impressed with Roby against Broncos, running from dummy half he was through the line of defence before the defenders noticed, but last week against Salford on Sky, he didn't seem to run as much. If your forwards Get a quick play the ball today we could be in for a long afternoon with Mr Roby about.

You forgot Rogues

I'm going to ask wane on twitter who'd he have out of robes and mcilorum

Seems a bit of a non story. A coach bigging up one of his players, I mean Wane isn't gonna say he'd prefer to have Roby is he, as that wouldn't do McIlorum any good.

Micky Mac is decent but he's nowhere near Roby he's in a different league

Imo Roby is better than Cameron Smith

I thought McIlorum was going to be GB's hooker for years to come?

Apart from agression, he doesnt have anything more to his game than any other generic english hooker, with the exception of Roby

Roby already topping the super league stats for metres and carries, just missed the top spot for tackles as well. When we come to his "equal" McLlorum does,t even register on any of these richter scales , its as though his season hasn,t started unless he's playing in a different league.

their stats are like a (broken) mirror image superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2011 the only area robes is beaten is in missed tackles, 6 - 0 to micky Mc and Penalties, 3-2 to Micky. How has robes not missed a tackle and made 129 in 3 games? 43 a game and not one missed? FREAK!

their stats are like a (broken) mirror image superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2011 the only area robes is beaten is in missed tackles, 6 - 0 to micky Mc and Penalties, 3-2 to Micky. How has robes not missed a tackle and made 129 in 3 games? 43 a game and not one missed? FREAK!

What is good to see is some of the younger hookers across the league looking like good footballers and not just runners from acting halfback.

Yes, you wouldn't believe that a team who ran a record 1208 times from dummy half, with one player a record 778 dummy half runs would score less tries than they have done for ten years.



And that player then get out scooted by a 5'4" dwarf (sorry Rob) in the Grand Final.

You are right Rogues. Roby is hopeless and repeatedly gets shown up by the master Mcilorum.

Show me wherever I have said that Roby is hopeless or McIlorum is better. But if that's your opinion then you are quite entitled to it.