why be hypocritical and say now he's gone newton was an angel? he was a dirty player, as it appear Hock still is too. Shame as they both had/have great talent and didnt need that to be good players

So how did the Club show him a heroes welcome?

Spot on.

Although I'm not sure Hock has great talent ...

To be fair they could ban hock for the season. It will have little impact on their squad when we play them in two weeks.

I'll take you six match ban on hock and raise you a two match ban for tomkins. Simply for being Tomkins. That would have a greater impact on the match than anything they throw at hock.

Enlightened self interest.

Sorry, I should have put fans gave him a heroes return

I didn't see you kicking up a fuss when a fellow pie blamed Ian millward for Newtons suicide.

I've played with and against Newton and even shared a room as a kid with him and he was nice guy off the field.

I have every sympathy for the wife and kids that he chose to leave behind.

I'm talking about the bit highlighted. Not in any way do I try and make out he was an angel, he clearly wasn't. I just found the bit highlighted unfair and disrespectful. Granted he was no saint on the pitch, but he didn't deserve what came of him.



That post was quickly removed as you well know. So there was no point discussing it further as it was clearly wrong and rightfully removed.


Well you should know better than anyone then that one's actions on the field shouldn't be all that they are judged on. Perhaps you should think about that before you comment further on Sam.

Well thats the full house for the vermin isnt It.
Every dirty trick In the book covered this season.
The sooner their grubby little coach heads off home the better.

That post about millward/Newton was on the board for 38 mins before it was removed and not one pie made a comment including you spooge.

I knew Terry off the pitch and it's why I made the comment, I can only take the runt how i find him and I find him a horrible cheating runt.

Fans of a sport judge players of that sport by their actions on the field. Most of us don't meet players never mind get to know them and ultimately we aren't interested: we want our players to perform well on the pitch.

So to blather on about what Newton or Tomkins or anyone is like off the pitch is irrelevant. We judge them all by what they are like ON the pitch. And Newton was a thug.

Well I'll have to take you word for it on the amount if time it was visible. The fact that nobody made a comment isn't a bad thing. At least know one agreed with it. For all I or you know there may have been various PM's sent by numerous posters requesting that posted to be removed. It can take a while for an offensive post to removed if there isn't a mod on duty I believe. But thankfully in the end it was removed.

Well that's a shame you judge someone on 80 minutes of rugby that you may see 15 times a year at max. I've met Sam twice outside of rugby and I can assure you he's a thoroughly nice chap. I've yet to hear from anyone that he's anything else of the pitch.

So what?

I know players and i know for a fact he's not respected among players and it's not just saints players.

I've been thinking his the pies can top this one. Maguire on sky text saying nothing in the eye gouge.

So we've had, sticking two fingers at fans, punching, kicking, pulling hair and gouging plus the usual underhanded tactics

Not to mention Briers lodging a complaint to the match commisioner over Coley stamping on his hand after a tackle...

They certainly don't take it very well when teams stand up to them in the middle

Maybe I've missed something, but where does he say Newton was an angel?

I met Sculthorpe once and he was a lovely chap too, but on the pitch i would expect him to rip my head off.

This off the pitch defence is laughable, we judge players on how they play the game.

Sonny Knuckle was a great bloke off the pitch as well, but a 'serial killer offender" on it.

Memo to simmons; see above!

He doesn't need telling. If you haven't noticed, in our close matches it is our own execution that has been the problem: dropped ball giving them field position; a missed tackle here and there (like on the line at the DW in the final minute when two defenders clocked off); a decision borne from inexperience or panic. Those little things have yet to come off for us. But we had the game plan sussed by the time we got to the DW. Just that last five minutes of panic/errors let us down.

Goes without saying we need to match eithr Warrington or Wigan up the middle if we want to win. We could have the aussie backline playing in the V but if our forwards got rolled we'd probably still lose.

then we forgot it again. Beating Wigan isnt rocket science,

1.compete in the forwards - dont be bullied
2.close down Sam Tomkins or starve him of the ball
3.get your kicking game right
4.hope you get a good ref who stops them niggling and slowing the play the ball down.

Wigan don't do anything special they just do the basics very well and they mess about and slow you down so you cant get momentum. When they get the ball they have good dummy runners and attack with structure, when that doesnt work they rely on Ratboy's X Factor and of course the wide kick to Pat who seems about 9ft tall at times.

Pat Richards looks very sluggish since he returned from his injury. He's not the player he was and even Brian agrees on that!

I've not seen enough of him really but he hasn't shrunk and thats were he's most dangerous.