Hope not, remember when Long & Wellens were kicking the other season cost us a load of missed points, go easy fella's this is my first post.

Although he is a Wigan (well Golbourne ) lad and supported Wigan as a youngster I really can't see a place for him at Wigan.

Richards and Charnley are better wingers and Ryan King already looks a far better prospect.

No thanks.

No 'u' in Golborne Rouges

Aye o.k.
Point still stands. If he doesn't kick goals Leigh / Barrow beckons.

He does though, it's like saying if Sam doesn't have the footwork he's as good as Horne

Nicely put.

Weren't you the one who told us he was a Sintellins lad with a Sintellins accent?

BTW, we're still waiting YOUR appraisal of Dan Brotherton.

Wasn't he a <Ray French mode> former Blackbrook amateur?

That's Saints feeder club isn't it?

I never realised he was a Golborner, what school did he attend?

Edmond Arrowsmith Ashton.

Ah Catholic school, that's why not heard much of him regards being a Golborne lad.

Jamie was born in Whiston hospital as is the norm for most people from St.Helens.
He also lives in Haydock. He used to practise on King Georges playing field as a kid.
He went to Eddie Arrows as is normal for catholic kids from Haydock.
Mugwump and Mclennan from these boards went to school with his mum, which makes them feel REALLY old.

Jamie has acknowledged that as a stupid kid he followed Wigan, but as he matured he had an epiphany and chose the path to salvation.
Sadly there are always some in every generation, who are lost to those who play on the dark side of the hill.

No chance. Without his kicking he is just another decent winger.

I agree he scored a fantastic try at Leeds but that one try made a name for him really. It was a great try but that doesn't make you a great player. A winger in the NRL did something even better, it won't get him in the Aus team.

I think Makinson will be the better winger.

We have Pat on one wing, surely you wouldn't take Foster over Pat?
We have Charnley on the other, I doubt Foster could have scored the try that Charnley scored at wire. Charnley has that xfactor which Foster lacks as just a winger. Unless we have a goalkicking crisis, I would stay well clear.

Makinson is a better winger than Jamie and so is Meli, Gardner and the ain't much in it between Armstrong and Jamie but what Jamie brings to the team is points, he's a good finisher, reads the game very well and is also a great goal kicker!

He's a valuable member to the first team because he's a points machine. Points wins games.

He's also a match winner and has already won many games for saints already.

Also, just think if we didn't have Jamie this year I'd say we'd be 4th or 5th in the league.

and thats what a difference a good kicker can make. He'd be worth it if he was an average superleague player, but IMO hes better than that

Hes a good finisher, good goal kicker and is pretty safe although he's looked bit dodgy under kicks over last few weeks.

He's not a great super league player and will only ever be a average winger but he's a points machine.

Just a shame he can't beat a man or have genuine pace.

I love it when people say "If he wasn't such a good kicker he'd be an average winger"

Ok but HE IS a good kicker so what's your argument.

Briers would only be an average half back if he didn't read the game like he does now.
Cunningham would have been an average hooker if he wasn't so strong.
Offiah would have been an average winger if he wasn't has quick as everyone else

To the Pie fans aiming slights at Foster, *cough* Botica *cough*

The is a difference in the comparisons you've made above to be honest. Goal kicking and playing are two completely different things.

It is possible to beca great goal kicker yet a average player.

Against Wakefield if my memory serves me well.

Wello missed a easy kick at home in a loss to Wakefield.

Just the one? I seem to remember a match when he missed two or three kickable ones when we narrowly got beat in awful conditions.

You are missing the point of what Yed is saying. Don't focus on the bits he is pointing out but the fact that without those bits they simply would not have been the players they were. Saying Jamie is average without his kicking and finishing is as pointless as saying that Longy would have been average without his rugby smarts or drop goal kicking or whatever. People are stating the obvious but pointlessly so because the statement applies equally to all sportspeople who have a talent.

Jamie is talented and it is his goal kicking and finishing and ability to read a game that make him talented. Those qualities make him a must for our first team.

As indeed is his endurance. The lad hasn't missed a game since he started in the first team halfway through last season. So there is another plus for him.

Oh, and his tackling has come on very well under Simmons. Some of his tackling against blokes twice his size on Friday night was awesome.

A winger isn't just a speedster. He has to be a lot more than that, and Foster is developing well. Don't forget that he is only in his first full year at first grade.

He missed about six goals against Wakey at Knowsley Road. That is, he missed them all. We had no kicker at all that night and I remember thinking that Potter was cruel to let Wello continue. Wakey won because we couldn't convert a single try.

Thankfully we now have a few goal kickers in the team. Foster, Makinson and Lomax can all kick. Wheeler can boot one in a blue moon over too. I think Gaskell can kick goals as well.

Theres not much _ _ n _ _ in Rogue either