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| Quote ="Tony Stark"He's not an impact prop. An impact prop would be someone like Feka. James Graham is a workhorse, he puts in a huge amount of work each game, often having to put in full 80 minute stints, this season especially. So far this year he has the 3rd highest number of carries with 2490 and has made the 2nd most metres with 356, the closest prop to him in both categories being Bradford's Andy Lynch with 322 carries (-34) and 2162 metres made (-32icon_cool.gif and Lynch has played a game more.
[uWe[/u, and pretty much anyone who actually knows anything about rugby league, rate him so highly because he has [uDONE [/uthat pretty much every season since he broke into the team.
FWIW the only player to better him in both of those categories is James Roby, with Rangi Chase splitting the two with more carries than JG.'"
good reply to a troll, anyone who says Graham is overrated is either braindead or a troll, Aussie clubs dont sign bad english players.
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"[urlhttp://www.redvee.net/forums/forum.php[/url
There you go.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.'"
Thank you for that, much bettericon_smile.gif
Look at how long ive been ere mr stark, I wont let the door hit me silly man !! ... U should start moderating this forum and stop being a lazy prik ! U can now ban me, (this love in with the pies makes me throw up ). . Bye bye u inbred s !
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| Quote ="saint b"Thank you for that, much bettericon_smile.gif
Look at how long ive been ere mr stark, I wont let the door hit me silly man !! ... U should start moderating this forum and stop being a lazy prik ! U can now ban me, (this love in with the pies makes me throw up ). . Bye bye u inbred s !'"
Such a nice young man, now off you go to sunday school bye bye
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| Quote ="saint b"Thank you for that, much bettericon_smile.gif
Look at how long ive been ere mr stark, I wont let the door hit me silly man !! ... U should start moderating this forum and stop being a lazy prik ! U can now ban me, (this love in with the pies makes me throw up ). . Bye bye u inbred s !'"
Now THAT'S how you break the AUP.
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| Quote ="onedego"in all fairness, even in an England Jersey, i'm waiting to see him "DO" something. That is aside from run at people and fall on his ass. For an impact prop, he's got no impact. The only player who he's capable of knocking over, is Sam Tomkins. Give him someone bigger and he's useless.
I don't know why you rant and rave over him. If he played for Wigan, i'd be packing his bag for him!'"
He,s not an impact prop, he makes hard yards and currently holds the super league record of this fact.
Something the Aussie see as an important asset by giving him the opportunity to compete in the NRL. He is also automatic choice for England, and he did make the tackle bust for Mylers try.
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| I think the fact he plays full 80s is seen as a weakness in Grahams stats.
It is almost like if he is playing poorly because he is knackered, people assume he is a rubbish prop. and then when you investigate his stats, some people think well of course he is so many carries and so many metres, he is the go to guy and plays 80 mins (unlike every other prop)
I think he is a great prop, however he really needs to improve in some areas (the biggest one being his anger) I hope the aussies use him right because ,from what I have seen, Sts haven't been.
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| Quote ="saint b"Thank you for that, much bettericon_smile.gif
Look at how long ive been ere mr stark, I wont let the door hit me silly man !! ... U should start moderating this forum and stop being a lazy prik ! U can now ban me, (this love in with the pies makes me throw up ). . Bye bye u inbred s !'"
If you're gonna get banned, you may aswell go out in style.
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| James Graham is an excellent workhorse prop with a good offload. He's a proud, determined lad who wants to win, can't fault him for that. On Friday he was part of a beaten pack but he was not individually at fault, he was targeted, along with Roby, and pretty much shut down.
He does have a petulant streak that could see him in trouble if he carries that on at the Doggies. Would I have had him in a Wigan shirt? Absolutely, I believe Shaun Wane could have helped him temper his tongue and channel it on the pitch.
Good luck at the Doggies lad, go learn some more and really do it for England.
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| Even as a Wigan fan, I think James Graham is out of this world. The only irritating thing is that every time he goes into a tackle, he looked at Alibert appealing for something. He should just get on with it, he's a fantastic player
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| Quote ="WigansForeignLegion"James Graham is an excellent workhorse prop with a good offload. He's a proud, determined lad who wants to win, can't fault him for that. On Friday he was part of a beaten pack but he was not individually at fault, he was targeted, along with Roby, and pretty much shut down.
He does have a petulant streak that could see him in trouble if he carries that on at the Doggies. Would I have had him in a Wigan shirt? Absolutely, I believe Shaun Wane could have helped him temper his tongue and channel it on the pitch.
Good luck at the Doggies lad, go learn some more and really do it for England.'"
Correct Nick! I rate him too, bit of a big fanny at times but id have him at Wigan all day long!
Not sure about the do it for England bit but hey, besta luck to him!
Absolutely brilliant thread this, ive chortled my way through these 3 pages tremendously! That little lad that got banned had me rolling
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| I'm not trolling, i'm not trying to force debate, just stating opinion. the main thing I have against him is the dummy spitting. It stands out so much to me that he doesn't seem to do anything else.
I seriously do hope that the Aussies teach him to can that, and hone in on what he can do on the field... If they can, he might, just might give me something to eat my words about come the internationals...
Covering his ears in the Grand Final last year is the biggest standing in my memory of him, and just made me wonder if he expected a Tea Party rather than 71.5k people, fireworks and a big show...
we'll see that oz makes of him...
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"I do, you generally keep things quiet interesting, like rogues.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"You can't ban Saddo. If his tongue was any further in his cheek it would be touching his ear. He also provides me with more ammunition than the R.O.F.'"
He is no worse than you! You are two faced while he is open.
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| Quote ="stantheman"He is no worse than you! You are two faced while he is open.'"
Eh??????
Either I've missed the point by a country mile or you have missed rouges by the same distance.
For what it's worth, I think there will be one or 2 more matches against Wigan. If the table end's up as it is now, that's almost a 100% certainty.
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| Quote ="saint b", Aussie clubs dont sign bad english players.'"
worrincy,mathers,thorman,sibbit?
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| Quote ="Captain13"Correct Nick! I rate him too, bit of a big fanny at times but id have him at Wigan all day long!
Not sure about the do it for England bit but hey, besta luck to him!
Absolutely brilliant thread this, ive chortled my way through these 3 pages tremendously! That little lad that got banned had me rolling
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That was a young lad?
The mouth on him was appalling.
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Look at how long ive been ere mr stark, I wont let the door hit me silly man !! ... U should start moderating this forum and stop being a lazy prik ! U can now ban me, (this love in with the pies makes me throw up ). . Bye bye u inbred s !'"
Was this the man on the big screen on Friday who took a big strop half way through the game?
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| he's got my admiration as a player,always has had that
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| Quote ="roo67"worrincy,[size=150mathers[/size,thorman,sibbit?'"
Bit unfair that, he was playing out his skin for Leeds, went to Australia and was injured after a handful of matches.
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| Quote ="WigansForeignLegion"He does have a petulant streak that could see him in trouble if he carries that on at the Doggies. Would I have had him in a Wigan shirt? Absolutely, I believe Shaun Wane could have helped him temper his tongue and channel it on the pitch.'"
James Graham is all about his 'tongue'. That is who he is. Without the freedom for him to rant and rave to all and sundry on the pitch, his best performances would not have happened.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Bit unfair that, he was playing out his skin for Leeds, went to Australia and was injured after a handful of matches.'"
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James Graham is all about his 'tongue'. That is who he is. Without the freedom for him to rant and rave to all and sundry on the pitch, his best performances would not have happened.'"
And where will that get him?
Every Aussie prop will want to put him on his , and his petty little outbursts won't help him. If he shuts up and plays, he'll be a big success over there.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"And where will that get him?
Every Aussie prop will want to put him on his booty, and his petty little outbursts won't help him. If he shuts up and plays, he'll be a big success over there.'"
So far, it's got him into Grand Finals, to Wembley finals and a Man of Steel award! So I can see it doing fine for him down under.
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James Graham is all about his 'tongue'. That is who he is. Without the freedom for him to rant and rave to all and sundry on the pitch, his best performances would not have happened.'"
Quite agree, but I doubt the Aussie refs will be as tolerant as the SL refs have been. Time will tell.
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| Quote ="WigansForeignLegion"Quite agree, but I doubt the Aussie refs will be as tolerant as the SL refs have been. Time will tell.'"
But the ref's in Australia aren't quite as idiotic as they are in Super League. When Jammer has a rant, he's pretty much always right. I don't remember a situation where Jammer has gone off on one and been shown to have been wrong.
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