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| I love Wello. I love what he's done over the years. I would give the man a kidney if he needed one.
But he's no longer up to it. He has always been too slow but now his decision making is atrocious, his once safe hands have gone and his positioning is suspect. He is a legend but with very little quality in the outside backs we can't carry on with him at fullback.
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| Quote ="Saint from Prestwich"The signs of his decline have been there all season.
If the coach continues to pick him at FB we will lose many more games'"
You see thats the sad part, we probably wont lose too many because the standard of SL as a whole aint that good.
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| Graham looks a bit tired for me guys I think he needs a rest. Just my opinion.
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| Quote ="saint billy"Jon Wilkin was outstanding again. After him, everyone else was poor.'"
Wilkin was Saints best player by a long way tonight, then Lomax. I thought young Makinson had a decent game.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Wilkin was Saints best player by a long way tonight, then Lomax. I thought young Makinson had a decent game.'"
Agreed about Wilkin. I thought Lomax was non-exsistant, especially in the first half.
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| Quote ="saint billy"Agreed about Wilkin. I thought Lomax was non-exsistant, especially in the first half.'"
Over hyped Lomax has gone missing too often in games
Did nothing last week too
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| Quote ="Saint from Prestwich"Over hyped Lomax has gone missing too often in games
Did nothing last week too'"
I agree, i think he is been over hyper. I thought Gaskell was the more creative half back tonight, although his defence wasn't good enough.
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| But what do you expect a 7 behind a beaten pack to do exactly ?
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| I feel sorry for Wello, he fields the ball and takes it back then a tackle later has to take the ball in again. I cant defend him on the kick off after Makinson's try though.
We are simply over using him going forward because our forwards arent nearly as fit as a freak Wigan side.
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| Quote ="Saint from Prestwich"Over hyped Lomax has gone missing too often in games
Did nothing last week too'"
Er, did you not notice the common themes between last week and this? Forwards who were e and poor ball control. What do you expect halfbacks to do against those odds exactly? In addition, our halves are inexperienced at this level and have pressures they didn't experience at u20s. They tried hard under the circumstances but we had a lazy a$$ bunch of forwards tonight. After Wigan's first try, they gave up.
Wilkin was outstanding again though. And Makinson did well in a thoroughly beaten team.
As for Wello, he should be dropped until his form returns. Either he is playing with an injury or his form has just gone. That happens. Put Makinson at FB or bring back Ashe, whichever. But Wello is a liability at present. And with all the other liabilities we have in the team just now, we don't need him being one as well.
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| It's the forwards stupid.
We are saying Wilkin our ball playing 2nd rower was our best forward.
That says alot about the pack.
HOWEVER.
We are not a poor team, we just had a poor game. Lets not move to panic stations after 1 game, lest we forget our poor start to the season and the turn around Royce managed under difficult circumstances lossing players and the Eastmond thing.
We are right to be down, but we are far from out and 1 game does not a season make. This was a challenge for the top spot, not a basement battle. A win next week and suddenly we will be world beaters again. (Not saying we are going to win). But lets not get over dramatic, I'm sure Royce isn't either with this loss or the previous victories we had when the going was good.
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| Quote ="Ande"I feel sorry for Wello, he fields the ball and takes it back then a tackle later has to take the ball in again. I cant defend him on the kick off after Makinson's try though.
We are simply over using him going forward because our forwards arent nearly as fit as a freak Wigan side.'"
I was allways taught its the player coming forwards job to call the ball,It was over Wello and imo it was down to LMS to call for that ball.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows" and 1 game does not a season make. '"
Correct, grand master Yoda.
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| wellens is not at is best at moment but who is better in our team to play there lomax and gaskell can do very little if our forwards are getting better but i too think gaskell been the better of the two last couple of weeks
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"Correct, grand master Yoda.'"
Well, at least he is not all teacherish, like you!
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| I'm worried about next week, obviously. But hopefully Royce will be able to rectify some of the things that went wrong tonight.
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| Quote ="brook40"I was allways taught its the player coming forwards job to call the ball,It was over Wello and imo it was down to LMS to call for that ball.'"
Depends though , if Wello made the call he takes priority over a prop. Wello backing into LMS will also have made it difficult for him to step forward and claim the ball.
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| Quote ="No1 Saint"Depends though , if Wello made the call he takes priority over a prop. Wello backing into LMS will also have made it difficult for him to step forward and claim the ball.'"
Wellens didn't want to know with that one. He's the fullback, he should be dealing with that. His reactions and movement are just so slow that he's never where he should be.
A classic one was one of Tomkins nothing kicks. Any other fullback in Super League would have swallowed it and made 20 metres easily. Wellens let it bounce and Mackinson ended up fielding it almost directly under the black dot 20 metres out as Wellens hadn't managed to get there.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I'm worried about next week, obviously. But hopefully Royce will be able to rectify some of the things that went wrong tonight.'"
To be fair, we can't play any worse.
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| Paul Wellens didn't have a good game tonight (which is rare by his standards) but if you rewind the tape to the game against Warrington he saved you at least 18 points that night, he was immense.
Given what he's achieved in the game including saving your bacon on quite a few occasions over the years then he's entitled to the odd night off especially in the latter stages of his career.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Paul Wellens didn't have a good game tonight (which is rare by his standards) but if you rewind the tape to the game against Warrington he saved you at least 18 points that night, he was immense.
Given what he's achieved in the game including saving your bacon on quite a few occasions over the years then he's entitled to the odd night off especially in the latter stages of his career.'"
He's been poor all season. Saints haven't shown any nostalgic tendancies towards any of the other recent retiring greats so I don't see why Wello should be any different. Knocks me sick saying it because I love the man, but he isn't playing well enough to justify his selection.
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| Quote ="saint billy"Agreed about Wilkin. I thought Lomax was non-exsistant, especially in the first half.'"
I read a comment earlier on about Lomax looking outstanding and how he was the best young player in superleague but i've got to say I thought he was poor for 60mins tonight. I think the lads an amazing talent and I was gutted he didn't get a place in the England side last week but he just didn't take the game by the scruff of the neck tonight and it was too late when he started to have a dig. I thought Gaskell at the side of him tried to hold it together and his kicking game is excellent but you just needed Lomax to show his hand abit earlier.
Granted it's hard to run a game on the back of a beaten pack.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"He's been poor all season.'"
That's just BS. He was in amazing form until his heel injury. He just hasn't been the same since. In fact, he's been atrocious.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"He's been poor all season.'"
Watch the Warrington game again if your brave enough too, Wellens was outstanding that night so he can't have been poor all season. Obviously you know him better than i do as you see him each week, personally i don't think he should have gone for that high ball as it was risky given the conditions, letting Wigan go for it would have been safer as it was on the last and you had plenty of cover around that area.
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| Quote ="Rob Wire"Watch the Warrington game again if your brave enough too, Wellens was outstanding that night so he can't have been poor all season. Obviously you know him better than i do as you see him each week, pertsonally i don't think he should have gone for that high ball as it was risky given the conditions, letting Wigan go for it would have been safer as it was on the last and you had plenty of cover around that area.'"
No, your view is the correct one. He has been awful since coming back from his last injury. Just terrible. But he was on fire before he limped off at Wigan last time we met.
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