Why does anyone want go and watch that rubbish and one stand its 27 pound and 20 for kids

Going by last season, I beg to differ.




Castleford: McGoldrick, Dixon, Shenton, Ferres, Wainwright, Widders, Chase, Sargent, Hudson, Higgins, Snitch, Jones, Westerman.
Replacements: Arundel, Huby, Milner, Walker.

Harlequins RL: Melling, O'Callaghan, Clubb, Howell, Sharp, Gale, Dorn, Ward, Ellis, Wilkes, Purdham, Williamson, Golden, Mills.
Replacements: Mills, Orr, McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Bryan.

Att: 5,862

Well you guys allways lied about the knowsley attendences so its about right !

St Helens to Widnes is 6.33 miles or 10.19 kilometers according to the RAC Route planner

Twickenham to Widnes is 207.27 miles or 333.57 kilometers according to the RAC Route planner.

I know who's fans got the better deal regarding travel to the game.

Cas have a population of 40k?they do draw some from LS POSTCODES ,but there attendances for their fanbase are really good.
I am sure Saints have budgeted for a low average this season.It will be next season,or when the new stadium opens when I expect them to average well above 13k

After the wire game when you only had 10,000 I thought the club needed to drop the prices & get some kids in free otherwise attendances would dip further, didn't think they would go as low as 6,000!

For many fans living in an economically deprived area it's just too expensive. The nation still hasn't got itself out of the sub-prime slump and the way the Tories are going at their slash-and-burn policies it could be a long time before we see any kind of economic daylight. During the past three years we've seen soaring prices on food, energy and other basic raw materials. Couple this with the complete unwillingness of employers to issue pay rises above, at - or even close to - the basic line of inflation and you're left with a year-on-year nett wage reduction the first consequence of which will be a cut-back of non-essential items in low income households. And heading the list of non-essential "high cost" expenses is SL.

the voice of reason in this pi55ing contest .

You forgot to add all this is exacerbated by having a poor team. People are reluctant to shell out if you are going to see your team lose. Other clubs in equally poor areas are managing to keep attendances up. I know Cameron and clegg are convenient scapegoats for all the country's woes but look closer to home on this one

We at Wire have been poor for many years but we still turned up.
The same for fans at every other club, Cas, Wakey, etc.

Just because your team is having bad patch (and lets face it Saints have had 10 fantastic years) the Saints fans should still turn up and support their team unless the fans are just glory hunters who want to see Trophy's and desert their club when things are lean.

I and many many like me followed the Wire for approx 30 years without seeing a Trophy, but went because not only do I love my club I also love the greatest game on the planet.

Having a poor team is only a small part of the picture. Saints fans don,t want be at Widnes, and hence will pick there matches, I reckon the lowest attendance will bottom out at 5000 with one full house against Wigan.

I should imagine a lot of fans are already looking at being season ticket holders next season in the new stadium because who wants to pay up to £26 a ticket to watch a game on a regular basis in a neutral venue.
I travel down from Cumbria on match days, last year it cost me £38, this year it's costing me £54. Also found out the saints ticket office shuts at 3-30 pm.

I'm pretty sure you average 4-5k at Wilderspool.

Probably a tad more than that and closer to 6.000.
But yes you are right 7 years ago in our old stadium our attendances were some 5 or 6 thousand lower than they are now.

We were poop and we all still went, yet Saints have had Grand Final after Grand Final after Grand Final and beucase of a downturn in form ony 6,000 turn up against a team who are currently at the top end of the table.

A few season ago Wigan were poop but their fans turned in thousands to support their team though the bad times.
Saints have had an average (but not bad) start to the season and by their absence your fans have shown what they are really all about

6,000 at a neutral ground is decent in my opinion. Our crowds at KR against Quins were around the 7k mark, so it's not a massive difference.

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It was boosted by a massive travelling support of approximately 6.

Some of our fans are all about winning I agree. But some of your fans are the same it's human nature. You say 6k at wilderspool in Warrington ok, you then get some well deserved success "wembley wembley wembley " I believe you sing! And all of a sudden 13k are going that equals 7 thousand so called saints style supporters of your very own wires!

Listen truth is no home games for us this season away or neutral venue. Were playing terrible agreed so we loose the glory fans, club has some big decisions to make around future of team this all equals uncertainty and nobody likes that. We will come through this we need to hold our nerve.
There is a long way to go!

I think we should run out to D ream things can only get better

6000 is decent Blobby under the circumstances and I wouldn't pay any attention to those who like these pinis measuring contests.Sure, Saints don't want to be at Widnes but what's the alternative,Sherdley Park?The fans should just give it a chance and make the best of the situation,all will seem much better when the lighter and warmer evenings are upon us and Saints have a few wins under their belt.

The is alot of circumstances that will reduce the crowds at saints games being played at Widnes.

Some fans just like at other clubs just can't afford it due to current climate.

Some fans I knew used to go straight to KR from work but now have 20 min traveling which means will miss the kick off.

Some can't drive and won't want the hassle of getting there and back.

Some will just not go as it's in Widnes.

I think 6,000 or so is pretty ok attendance seeing as it was Quins and it's basically away for our fans too.

Considering every one of our games are Away 6000 fans is a decent turn out.
The south stand is the biggest problem, £26.00 a ticket isn,t exactly dangling a carrot for fans to turn out at a neutral venue.

Saints average last 2 trophy less seasons have been around 11000 trophy hunter fans. Will probably be around 8500 dejected fans this season.
So this will be reasonable under the present circumstances.

I,m sure this topic won,t turn up next season when we play were we belong.

Shouldn't that be Sarf !!!!!

The worse we got the larger the crowds got - go figure ! Probably the Dunkirk spirit

I'll tell you what, it just shows what sort of supporters you have. You have been used to cups and trophies for years on end and as soon as you have a bad patch. you respond in this way.

The skunkdome is barely any further for loads of your lot, especially the ones who walk around Westbrook Asda with their red v shirts after a win.

Extremely fickle fans, and I am enjoying every minute of it.

Who outsang the other 5,994 by all accounts!

I didn't realise people went along for a singing contest.Perhaps they would be better advised auditioning for Britains got talent or something similar rather than attending a game of RL.

compare their crowds against London at Wilderspool and some of them even dipped below 4,000 !!