i understand your reasons for your opinion and fair enough and heres to a good discussion!!!

I feel it reflects badly on wellens with regards taking kicks on the full because and especially tonight our kicking game was awful, wheeler im afraid didnt do it at 6, and as I have said over the last couple of years, granted not on here eastmond is not and never will be the answer.

I beleive that our back 3 make as many metres as each other there or there abouts so this shooting into the middle and passing to each other, dropping each other off all the time is pointless in my opinion

For me I think that draw is just papering over the cracks for you, you only got good territoy from penaltys and yet again you can only score trys from 10m out.

You wont miss Cunningham with Roby though, he is an outstanding talent.

Eastmond played like a man who's heart and head are elsewhere. I'd be very surprised if he stays.

Agreed, judging on tonight's performance though, we may be better off cashing in and buying a good replacement.

the other thing to take into consideration, our coach wasnt around for most of the week. That is likely to have caused an element of disruption to the preparation for the game.

FWIW I am delighted with a draw. A bit more composure in the first half and we would have won it. With a fully fit Pryce and Eastmond, it would have been an emphatic victory.

That looked like Potter's Saints. We were clueless close to the line, and effectively relied on offloads and individual acts of genius. The actual passing moves were truly painful to watch, being slow and entirely one-way, making it easy for the Wigan defence. We only have one player who can actually manufacture a move to break the defence, and that's Pryce. Without him, we rely on other teams making mistakes. Fortunately for us, the pies made just enough mistakes tonight. I think tonight showed convincingly that if it comes down to it, better to spend the cash on Pryce than on Eastmond.

With a fully fit Richards/Fielden/Roberts/Deacon it wouldn't have been

The Saints pressure over the first 3/4 of the game wore Wigan out and so they had to resort to holding down / lying on and general spoiling tactics which (quite rightly) resulted in penalties to Saints.
After a dodgy start Saints could and should have won it.

CONRATS SAINTS. Never thought I'd bring myself to say that haha. Don''t know why though because I were pulling for you lot.

I am genuinely pleased you got something out of the game, one because you bursted Wigans bubble, and two because you deserved to get back into it after that balls up concerning the drop out.

The only bubble that burst today was yours!

Nice to know you were 'pulling'

Yes, devastated that we went down 28-18 with about 13 men left available. Not as bad as losing a 16-0 lead with 15 minutes to go with apparently "the best defence in the league".

and you should have never been in a position for your second, when eastmond chipped and clearly knocked on, instead given against hoff. refs make mistakes. you had pryce and perry out, 2 key players, we had no pat, amos, finch, fielden. both sides look strong, and after the games so far are the teams to beat this year.

'Bursted' thats not even a word !!!!! thought the eastmond knock on that led to saints second try balanced that bad call by silverwood !!!

Get shut of Eastmond NOW!!!! He is taking the pi** I can name 5 good players Wello, Graham,. Roby, Puletua and Soliola. The rest are taking the bloody mick, Stealing a living!!!!

Tad harsh on the likes of Wilkin, Shenton, LMS etc.

Sorry man. I will make sure all posts from now on are positively FLAWLESS for you. No, not really, the Eastmond knock on was hard to spot and an excusable mistake, the drop out situation however was clear, Wellens had the ball out in the field of play, we all saw that one even without the replays.

Shenton and LMS, I will give us time with them 2, but Wilkin

I think Wilkin really puts in the effort for you lot, he's a dirty git, but he puts a lot into his game from what I can see.

Flannery?

He wasn't technically out. He is just so average they forgot about him and left him at the services on the way down by mistake.

Wilkin

With a fully fit perry/Pryce/flannery/wellens it would have been diffrent.

Well, they managed to draw (and nearly beat) the best team in the league, so I don't know how anyone could come to that conclusion. Neither team played particularly well, but if someone offered me that result before the game I would have have taken it in a flash considering that we played an inexperienced half-back combination just back from repetitive injuries.

I would give it time (and some defeats) before smashing the players to bits.

Utter cr@p is a bit strong but for most of the game it did look like we were incapable of putting a decent attacking move together, never mind scoring a try.

Having said that, I think we have a solid side would have beaten most Super League teams today. That's not going to get the silverware though. We need the quality to unlock the defences of our nearest rivals in the big games.

Wigan were the same as the entire of last season, immense out of the blocks, 4 man tackles and big runs forward, by 60 mins though they're knackered, but theryre usually 30 points up by then so it doesn't matter, keep them within 20 points and you can beat them in the second half