I'm not trolling one bit. I just can't understand how it's possible to get so animated about a fixture we've dominated for years. I mean, I can understand WIRE fans getting all het up (Phuck ***I'D*** be het up!) But not us.

Hating on a team we consistently batter is just the height of decadency and a sure sign that we've had it good for far too long.

Re. Dux-
"Not true. Pre-super league we'd already won more than double the amount of championship titles Warrington had."

You only won 7 and we won 3. Hardly a cakewalk .

Other trophies won during pre superleague were fairly even-

Challenge Cup- 5-5
Regal Trophy- 4-1 to Wire
Premiership- 4-1 to Saints
Lancs Cup- 11-9 to Saints.

Overall, I'd have to agree with my initial statement in that 'their hadn't been much difference
between the two sides.

Looks like a post made by someone who knows their own clubs dominance of not only a rivalry but of a competition is coming to an end. It's so true that every dog has it's day, and Saints days are counting down very quickly indeed.

I dont know about Warrington but in the rest of the world 7 is more than double 3.

Nobody really cares.

Genuine question.
Where do Saints fans see their team in 5 years and more to the point see Wire in the same period.
History is great, just ask Germany

Re- No 1 Saint- 'Blah ..7-3 is more than double in my world.'


you were insinuating that St Helens were much more dominant because they had won
more than twice as many titles than us. I have just revealled the full picture by
comparing ALL the honours and not picking out one set which suit my club.

The one set which happens to be the most prestigious and sought after prize in the game.

Given that the average age of the Wire first team is 28 I don't see your success lasting that long without serious investment from Moranovich. If he puts that in fine, but then we'd be able to say you bought the trophies rather than earned them.

Winning one Challenge Cup means nothing. Sheffield did it, Hull did it, hell even Wigan managed it. It doesn't mean you are a top side and it doesn't mean you are going to win anything last season.

The suggestions that Saints fans are jealous of Warrington is ridiculous. We have seen Saints win around 20 major trophies compared to your 1. That kind of treasure hunting has to be for a limited period and we all knew the circle would have to turn eventually.

I'm not insinuating or assuming or implying anything here just how do you see both teams in the future. I don't want a cock measuring contest. Plus our lads coming through are quite exciting.

I know how id like to see it!!

. whens relegation back in?

Why, you'd win that one. I think Wire are set for a good spell and seem a superbly run club, emerging into one of the really strong SL clubs along with Leeds, Wigan and Hull.

Within 18 months Saints could look drastically different than what we do now. We could well have a new coach, possibly 6 or 7 new players as we have around 8 of the first 17 coming off contract and, fingers crossed, will be in a shiny new stadium attracting more revenue and less cost than KR is at the moment.

I don't think there is any doubt that the stadium process has impacted upon the resources and work that has gone into the playing side of things. There really isn't any thought being put into the squad development at the moment, hopefully that will change once the bricks are in place.

New coach, new stadium, new players, new kit, new cheerleaders. It'll be all fresh and new.

Well in all honesty you dont have much scope in that ... The Regal Trophy or the Regal Trophy

Are the Saints still famous? or are they like Wigan these days?

Thanks for that saddened, sarci comments aside i think Saints Will be weaker for about 3 seasons. But i don't doubt them in the long run, they have been the most consistent team in Rl (i said consistent not successful for any pie trolls willing to correct me). I don't doubt for a second that this will only be a minor blip in your history.

What blip in our history? Reaching 3 GFs on the trot?

I really do think people should wait until at least half way through the season before saying Saints are even close to a blip. Last time I checked the SL table we were only 2 points behind the unbeatable Wire and Wigan teams despite a pretty shoddy run with injuries.

Come Friday we could be level with the mighty Wire and they could have lost 2 from 3 against the stronger teams in SL (Wigan and us, but beating Hudds).

Neither.

Actually, I rather like other clubs' fans saying we're in a blip, and will be for at least a decade (or a hundred years, or whatever), just like I rather like it that we are never on Sky at present. It would be very nice if we continued to build on our attack, get our defence sorted out, and quietly blow the lot of them out of the water! No-one would suspect a thing because we're in a blip, our squad is all 90 years old, we're past it and we're never on Sky.

I have to agree with Mugwump. Warrington have proved nothing yet and i must be the only Saints fan that is expecting a win!

if saints are as good as they have always been, why the potter out threads? Why re-sign fozzard?

Who said we're as good as we always have been?

There's a difference between "a blip in our history" and us not having as good a squad as 2006.

Wigan nearly getting relegated is a blip on their history. Reaching GFs suggests Saints are still in a non-blip phase of our history, wouldn't you say?

I won't give my opinion on the Potter out threads again, because it ends up sounding rude to a section of our supporters. Suffice to say I didn't join in.

We re-signed Fozzard to add another forward body to our squad, which he has done. He doesn't make the squad this weekend because we have other props in better form.

We're not as good as we've always been. However we're alot better than other teams are suggesting. We will finisg top 5 and can beat anybody on our day. We have world class players in Eastmond, Graham, Soliola and Roby. Probably the best scrum half and prop in super league. You must be a good team.

I think rival fans forget that this season we have had nothing but bad luck with injuries. We was dominated against Hull after 2 of our backs (Gardner and Soliola) where taken off inside 20 mins vs Hull, that leaves a massive hole to fill as we had no 'backs' on our bench. We then lost to Hull KR with a massive injury hit squad (6 players and Wellens, Lomax being taken off inside the first 25 mins). My point is that Saints with a fully fit team are capable of winning SL imo.

We signed Fozzard purely on personality mate. We obviously dident have a lot left in the salary cap department so we brought back somebody who just loves boosting morale and for me his doing a pretty good job.

It will be close tommorow but i wouldent write off either team if they lost.

It all depends where you live, where you come from, where you work, who you knock about with etc. Warrington have always been up there with Wigan for me as Newton has significantly more Warrington fans to share banter with than it does Wigan fans.

How can a man who shows his face at a Rugby League ground once a year, if that, possibly lecture anyone about Rugby League rivalries?

Enjoy Crusaders v Catalans!

I'm with you on that man.

Warrington are a big rivalry for me purely because I have to deal with the bellends on a regular basis. My life will be made a living hell should we lose.

You can't invent history.