Hes right though

Tomkins seemed to get a shocking pass from Sinfield most times, meaning the aussies were in his face as soon as he collected the wayward passes.

Well on the principle that only a retard would judge a players carreer and ability soley on one performance then yes I feel that needs defending!

Especially when you admit your dislike for him as a person is the motivation for your opinion

it's this kind of selective comdement I think has been questioned on the Leeds board.

Ah yes! You never fail to show your hand!

I would agree with most of that!

What have i said that isn't fact? ? ?

I couldn't care less if it is a suprise or not.

the thing is it's not a fact! Because you say fact doent make it one. It's an opinion, your opinion. An opinion that only haters would put out there. Only a fool would suggest mcguire has nothing to offer the game.

Did i say offer the game? ? ?

I said offered at International level.

When people say Ryan Bailey is sh*te you Leeds fans always come back with "well 15 Super League winning coaches have picked him, so what do you know"

So, when Tony Smith, the former England and Leeds Rhinos coach, drops McGuire in favour of a younger, less in-experienced, but more exciting Sam Tomkins, i take it Tony Smith is wrong.

You cant have it both ways. Wake up and smell the coffee, McGuire offers nothing at International level.

when I said game I ment in reference to your post! so there for I ment international game.

only a fool would say mcguire has nothing to offer.

Why dont you apply for the England job, you obviously know more than Tony Smith and the selectors.

Speak English you clown. McGuire has never cut the mustard at international level and he never will. Get over it.

Sinfied got dropped at the world cup and all of you reveled and howled how he would never cut it at that levelvand wouldn't play again. Well he has and proved you all wrong! I expect mcguire to do the same.

you said the same about sinfield, you are the clown pal.

Yes Sinfield has had 2 good games at International level, what a hero.

I dont expect McGuire to prove anyone wrong that says he is not International class.

Ah, many apologies. I was probably still shell shocked that we managed to chase down Inglis

Yeah your gonna say that because you are a bitter troll as you have proved time and time again on the Leeds board when G and head high shoot you down in flames, sinfield has played well by your own admition and thats still not good enough! you are prime example of the player hater! it's bitterness through and through! You dont want the likes of sinfield and mcguire to succeed, you revel in their personal failures and when those players you hate do perform at the top level that's not good enough!

you are transparent

I dont see which parts of my posts constitutes being a troll really, when i give my opinion, and it is yourself and the rest of the people on SS who wont have a bad word against their players.

McGuire offers nothing, and got dropped, yet you seem to think he is a better player than Tomkins, and you think Tony Smith is wrong.

Got nothing to do with bitterness, if it did, would have had made a thread on SS after the GF saying congratulations to Leeds, and that they deserved it, and were the better team, and will win the GF again in 2010? ? ? Or do you just like to point out the bits where people go against your opinion.

Feel free to come and tell me how much of 'a troll' and 'transparent' i am next time we play at Headingly.

find where I have said tony smith was wrong? You can't

tell me where I said mcguire was better than tomkins? You can't

find me a Leeds fan who didn't say mcguire had a poor game against oz?

your just making stuff up because you have no reasonable argument!

You are a troll I've seen you crap on the Leeds board! I will take your meeting up as a threat which bothers me non! I will be in the oak before the game as I am before ever home game, I will be glad to call you a troll to you face! you will get laughed at for your foolish waffle

the fact you are trying to intimidate me with the threat of violence is to be expected. Putting a smile on the end doesn't fool anyone. It also doesn't distract from your motivation with regards to slagin off players

you are transparent

stop making stuff up

He was sensational the other night wasn't he pal?

Dint say nuffin or nuffin.

Nice to see you cant have a reasonable debate without getting all defensive.

Who said ought about violence? ? ? Id just like to discuss rugby league with you thats all, you obviously have more knowledge and insight than the likes of Tony Smith, so i just wondered if you could call me a troll, then i can shake your hand, get you to sign an autograph for me, and pose for a photo if thats ok? ? ?

I thought he played well as did all the pack, are you saying he had a bad game? or contributed to the defeat any more than say graham who was awesome at times

please

We all know what you ment with your let's meet up crap! Anyone on here will tell you it's the oldest trick in the book mr transparent.

So first as you know I'm a Leeds fan I worship the ground TS walks on!!

again your making stuff up! go find where I have critised any of the coaching or selections? That's right you can't.

if you want a photo and autograph that's fine, I've never said no to a fan

I didn't think Sinfield was that good tbh, he certainly didn't match his performance in the match at the JJB. His passes were wayward more than any other player on the pitch and when he moved to first receiver he slowed everything down.

He's too slow at half back and doesn't have the power game for the pack when his guile doesn't work (both Sculthorpe and Farrell had both aspects). He's effective at SL level, very effective at times, but lacks that extra for international level. A problem that Wilkin has too (a player who is very similar, but has less responsibility to control the game at Saints).

As for McGuire, he may have more success when played in a traditional combination, I'm not sure that this split half back set up suits him at this higher level. He may be better in a more roving role Like Pryce has played for us, trying to find the gap.

I suppose its the wrong time to say I thought throwing Sinfield back in at dummy half lost us the game........

classic this is my favourite post for a while! we get beat by 30 points and it's sinfields fault! you are my new best poster

if you really think this please post it on the Leeds board it should keep thing bubbling till Xmas