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| Quote ="St Ty"In my opinion one of the main reasons we have been so succesful since the inception of super league has been our ability to both retain key members of our squad for very long periods and to succesfully replace them when needed.
The ability to retain key players like Newlove, Joynt, Martyn, Long, Scully, Wellens and KC and even Lee Gilmour, has undoubtably meant we have been fortunate to maintain a consistant core and this consistancy is as big a factor as any other in any successful team as Leeds will fans will surely testify to.
However it is important to remember that many of these players were replacements for equally as important key players before them and that others have already been replaced successfully.
The hard work and sensible, well considered thoughts and actions of people behind the scenes at Saints saw Sean Long succeed Bobby Goulding at scrum half and Paul Wellens ultimately succeed Steve Prescott at full back, Willie Talau succeed Newlove in one centre role and Kevin Iro replaced by Martin Gleeson, Jamie Lyon and then Matt Gidley as the other and has also seen Leon Pryce succesfully follow Jason Hooper as Tommy Martyn's replacement at stand off.
I've a strong belief that those same people at the club who have brought through and bought players like Roby, Graham, Lyon and Gidley over the past few years will succesfully see us through a period of a year or two that will see us lose KC and Long as they did in 2003 and 2004 when we lost Newlove, Martyn and then Joynt but managed to maintain the pursuit for silverwear.
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I'd agree with that but there is one main difference. This time we are talking about losing within a couple of years Scully, Long and KC which really is the spine of the side and has been the main creative hub for us.
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| Quote ="saintc"I'd agree with that but there is one main difference. This time we are talking about losing within a couple of years Scully, Long and KC which really is the spine of the side and has been the main creative hub for us.'"
I think we have put the Sculthorpe one to bed with Wilkin who has been fantastic for us this year. Cunningham as big a loss he will be, will be replaced by Moore and as for Longy I would imagine Eastmond/Smith will replace or we will go into the market place.
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| Quote ="Joynty11" Cunningham as big a loss he will be, will be replaced by Moore '"
You hope. Moore may prefer to stay at Udders.
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| Quote ="Joynty11"I think we have put the Sculthorpe one to bed with Wilkin who has been fantastic for us this year. Cunningham as big a loss he will be, will be replaced by Moore and as for Longy I would imagine Eastmond/Smith will replace or we will go into the market place.'"
ok then. So we will have gone from
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Do you seriously not think that this constitues a severe weakening of the main positions in our team? If so, why do you think we will be ok? Surely the aim is to maintain yourself as a top side and that is done by having top players in the main positions.
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| Quote ="saintc"ok then. So we will have gone from
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Do you seriously not think that this constitues a severe weakening of the main positions in our team? If so, why do you think we will be ok? Surely the aim is to maintain yourself as a top side and that is done by having top players in the main positions.'"
It all depends on how good they become. I doubt there is a better 13 in SL than Wilkin, not that he plays there much. Leeds and Wigan for example carry players in that position, Sinfield for his kicking and O'Loughlin for his comedy hair.
Scott Moore could be the next best British hooker to KC already, it's not like there are several young guns fighting over his undisputed spot at the top of the tree in that position is it.
Eastmond looks a lively player, but why does everyone assume he's up to replacing Longy? What has he ever done to suggest he could?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Eastmond looks a lively player, but why does everyone assume he's up to replacing Longy? What has he ever done to suggest he could?'"
I think that's a very good question which not many people appear to be considering. It seems to me that he has a charisma on the field and does the wow things very well - like great long drop goals that take some cockiness in a player of his age. That can turn heads. But I'd like to see him play every week when we have to rely upon him because I have a sneaky suspicion he may not be consistent. I might be wrong, but it's just a gut instinct I have about him, amazing though he can be. Wheeler, however, I have found to be both an instinctive rugby league player and a reliable one, so far anyway (and I think I've seen them play about the same number of times now). I'd like to see Wheeler play every week too, to see how he performs over a long period. Both Eastmond and Wheeler have already shown they can handle pressure, which is very encouraging, as have a couple of our other guys like Ashurst and Lomax (but I do worry about that lad's head!). However, so far as two of our young guns are concerned, they really do need regular game time this season to seriously find their feet in the team and give them a chance of taking over spots next season.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"You hope. Moore may prefer to stay at Udders.'"
Would you?
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"Would you?'"
Nope. But I'm not young Mr Moore who may think the place is fab and his coach is fab and Udders are the cows teats.
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Nope. But I'm not young Mr Moore who may think the place is fab and his coach is fab and Udders are the cows teats.'"
The chance to wear the No9 shirt at the club signed you as a kid and you dreamed of playing for, in a new stadium infront of upto 18000 fans, or Huddersfield.
Come on home son
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"The chance to wear the No9 shirt at the club signed you as a kid and you dreamed of playing for, in a new stadium infront of upto 18000 fans, or Huddersfield.
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I would think Roby will be No9 before Moore matey!
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| Quote ="Joynty11"I would think Roby will be No9 before Moore matey!'" They may use Roby for impact off the bench, like now.
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| Quote ="Joynty11"I would think Roby will be No9 before Moore matey!'"
14 might be his lucky number
Roby is an impact player, he has shown many times that he is considerably less effective when he starts. The starting hooker should wear the No9 in my book.
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"The chance to wear the No9 shirt at the club signed you as a kid and you dreamed of playing for, in a new stadium infront of upto 18000 fans, or Huddersfield.
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Did he dream as a youngster of playing for Saints? I'm honestly interested because I didn't know that. Bless.
He definitely looks the business at Udders. If he keeps up his performance I'd be more than happy to see him take the place of Cunningham. Especially if he's got a heart for the club. The greater the number of talented players who want to play for Saints, as opposed to want to win stuff with a team that wins stuff, the better for the club.
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Did he dream as a youngster of playing for Saints? I'm honestly interested because I didn't know that. Bless.
He definitely looks the business at Udders. If he keeps up his performance I'd be more than happy to see him take the place of Cunningham. Especially if he's got a heart for the club. The greater the number of talented players who want to play for Saints, as opposed to want to win stuff with a team that wins stuff, the better for the club.'"
He even played for us as a kid
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 595010.stm
That record still stands, saints legend to be!
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Did he dream as a youngster of playing for Saints? I'm honestly interested because I didn't know that. Bless.
He definitely looks the business at Udders. If he keeps up his performance I'd be more than happy to see him take the place of Cunningham. Especially if he's got a heart for the club. The greater the number of talented players who want to play for Saints, as opposed to want to win stuff with a team that wins stuff, the better for the club.'"
He even played for us as a kid
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 595010.stm
That record still stands, saints legend to be!
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Hmm. Interesting! He obviously showed some talent very early on. Pity he got snarled up with Castleford when they were rubbish.
Quote That record still stands, saints legend to be!'"
I hope so!
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Hmm. Interesting! He obviously showed some talent very early on. Pity he got snarled up with Castleford when they were rubbish.
Quote That record still stands, saints legend to be!'"
I hope so!
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Oh dear.
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I know 9th in the table. Mediocrity indeed.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Eastmond looks a lively player, but why does everyone assume he's up to replacing Longy? What has he ever done to suggest he could?'" Whenever he's been asked to fill in at full back, centre or SO, he looked like a reasonable talent with a lot of pace, but not much more.
Whenever he's had the chance to play scrum half from 1st receiver, he's looked assured and confident, he can run our plays as he should and has an astute kicking game. When longy was his age, he was just really fast.
I would suggest he's capable of being a very good SL scrum half.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Until you're in a play-off place, I wouldn't "oh dear" too much.
That side should never in a million years be 9th, which for me just shows how poorly coached it has been all season.
The fact that you can pull out a decent performance against us just highlights how farcical your current position is.'"
If you had of watched all the games we have played in then this year then your right, we shouldn't be 9th. The only game all season where we have looked out of sorts was against Leeds at Leeds, every other game we could have won had and had we of been a little bit better then in the areas that we have improved now then those results would have been different, but those results are irrelivent now and stand as they are.
There's still a long way to go yet and plenty more points up for grabs, if and it's a big if we can continue over the next few months to play like we have been doing over the last 3 weeks or so then I'm confident that we will finish in a good position to get ready for another possible semi final finish in the playoffs. Anything then is possible, we're not as bad as some of you think we are and the next few months will prove it.
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| Quote ="Mini Rogue"If you had of watched all the games we have played in then this year then your right, we shouldn't be 9th. The only game all season where we have looked out of sorts was against Leeds at Leeds'"
Losing at home to Cas and Salford?!
Quote ="Mini Rogue"those results are irrelivent now and stand as they are. '"
They're not irrelevant, they're why you're 9th.
Quote ="Mini Rogue"There's still a long way to go yet and plenty more points up for grabs, if and it's a big if we can continue over the next few months to play like we have been doing over the last 3 weeks or so then I'm confident that we will finish in a good position to get ready for another possible semi final finish in the playoffs. Anything then is possible, we're not as bad as some of you think we are and the next few months will prove it.'"
Agree with that, but you may pay for the bad start come play-off time.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Losing at home to Cas and Salford?!
They're not irrelevant, they're why you're 9th.
Agree with that, but you may pay for the bad start come play-off time.'"
You forgot Wakey and Shudds. Wigoon's home form has been diabolical bar the performance versus Bradford. 2 from 6 at home is pathetic.
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| Quote ="St_Maca"You forgot Wakey and Shudds. Wigoon's home form has been diabolical bar the performance versus Bradford. 2 from 6 at home is pathetic.'"
Who are both above Bradford.
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| Quote ="RB"When did we lose at home to Salford?
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