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| Quote ="Saddened!"Lets face it (and this isn't a moan) the crowd was very poor for an opening night. The opposition didn't help, would have been easier to sell if it were against a team that had supporters of it's own, but I understand the want to win at the first game and I think judging by our performances so far, we'd have struggled with the big teams.
It will be interesting to see how the crowds hold up there. Season ticket sales are very impressive, but will only generate a slight increase on KR if we don't build on it. If the 5,000 walk up was because it's opening night, I think we're looking at 11,000 for the 'normal' games, ie everyone bar Warrington and Wigan.
It's so hard to build a buzz about a team and a sport in the depths of winter like that. When it's dark, cold/raining it makes it feel like you are suffering to go and watch rather than benefitting from it. Fine for us already committed to the cause, but I'll bet there won't be many new fans going back if their first experience of Langtree and RL in general was a dour ground out victory against Salford in freezing conditions.
It really annoys me how we move to Summer rugby and the sport/club decided on Friday nights. Friday nights are great in the middle of summer when it's light and sunny and you can have a beer after work etc, but when it's dark, -2 and you've got kids it's horrible. My kids are both primary school age and when you are that age when it's dark, you naturally feel tired, especially on a Friday.
What the sport needs to do is cut the games down. Play 10 home league games and play only in the April to September region. Leave October for internationals and cut the play offs down to just the good teams (I.e top 6).'"
I think we are looking at sell outs for Wire & Wigan, 14k for Leeds/Widnes, 13k for the Hulls possibly Hudds, 12k for the rest which should iron out to around 14k, but Im hoping we can average around 14,500-15k, that would be a great achievment!
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| Quote ="jaybs"Well 15,000 sold and I heard 16,000 in the middle of last week are well above the actual figure, I just wonder if stating these figures puts people off walking up on the day, a friend of mine from Windle attempted to get a standing ticket over two weeks before the game and was told at the ground ticket office they were all sold out!
It's not making it up SaintsFan it is just a constructive comment, rather the kids in the playground arguing who may have got a bigger attendance than the other for this and that game! LOL!'"
Link please stating we sold 16,000?
Also Link please stating how on gods green earth 15,000 is well above the actual figure of 15,300?
If you can't do simple maths, ie x number is bigger than y, then everything else needs to be called into question!
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| my bit of advice for starting topics on RLFANS.
1.) dont talk about attendances.... Wigan are second only to NASCAR in Attendance numbers. (I was going to say bumbs on seats but thats a different story)
2.) dont talk about flags. Only the Chinese Army and an Olympic games opening ceremony have more flags than the frigantes.
3.) dont talk about fullbacks unless you want to start explaining why Billy Slater is better than Sam Tomkins.
4.) dont talk about owning your own stadium. It's been Made Quite clear by the cherry boys that renting is always better than owning.
4.) and dont talk about history it doesnt exist for any club other than Shaun Wanes boys from the Wigan Way.
stick by them and you'll be able to talk without half wit intrusion no problem.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Link please stating we sold 16,000?
Also Link please stating how on gods green earth 15,000 is well above the actual figure of 15,300?
If you can't do simple maths, ie x number is bigger than y, then everything else needs to be called into question!
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Yes I am going to keep copies of every media link I read of ticket sales and I read several, just in case you ask me to givelinks! I know what I read and when I visited friends in Windle last Tuesday and as I stated, which you did not by the way comment on, two weeks earlier trying to get one standing ticket they were informed they were sold out and I informed him then it was heading for a sell out.
The 15,000 comment should have read 15,000 plus, so hands held up, apologies! but it does not excuse how picky some are getting and the raising of stupid comments about simple maths, this is a forum, I was not submitting a University dissertation on attendance figures! People who get so touchy about a comment are the ones who look the joke! But if it makes you happy?? LOL!
Note I added it was a superb attendance figure though time will tell as others have said what attendances settle down to.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Yes I am going to keep copies of every media link I read of ticket sales and I read several, just in case you ask me to givelinks! I know what I read and when I visited friends in Windle last Tuesday and as I stated, which you did not by the way comment on, two weeks earlier trying to get one standing ticket they were informed they were sold out and I informed him then it was heading for a sell out.
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I think this bit may be before Saints were allocated the East Stand. The West Stand was in fact sold out a couple of weeks ago and at the time was the only standing available to Saints supporters, this is probably why your friend couldn't get a ticket. Saints fans were than allocated the East stand at a later date as it was apparent Salford would only bring around 200 fans.
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| I think EVERY game this weekend will have been afected by the weather, my 86 yr old auntie and her neighbours (season ticket holders) wisely decided to stay at home, many others will have done the same
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"No they aren't! We sold 15,537! How is that 'well above' 15,000? And more fool you for listening to Internet speculation. Nobody ever claimed 16,000 had been sold. .'"
Are you operating to zero tolerance Saints Fan, we were only 463 short of 16000 tickets, some supporters with tickets didn,t turn up, so we might have actually sold more tickets than the actual digital count through the turnstiles, as 15,537 was the attendance and not the no. Of tickets sold.
Was expecting around 16.5 k myself, but if we can average 15k for the season that would be fantastic.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"I think this bit may be before Saints were allocated the East Stand. The West Stand was in fact sold out a couple of weeks ago and at the time was the only standing available to Saints supporters, this is probably why your friend couldn't get a ticket. Saints fans were than allocated the East stand at a later date as it was apparent Salford would only bring around 200 fans.'"
Most likely the case, but when you are 75 and don't have internet connection how do you know about late allocations? if I had known I would have rang and told him.
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| Quote ="saints1233"Wigan played their first match at the DW against Cas in 99 which was the first game at the new stadium and also the last game of the regular season, and with Cas bringing a healthy away following, Wigan managed a rather dismal 13,900 (and lost), not forgetting of course that Wigan are the bestest fans in the world who are famous continental, especially in countries such as Peru, Angola, Malta and the Faroe Islands.. Adding to this their first home game of the following season pulled in just 11,200 against Leeds. And yes they sold out their last game at Central park against St Helens, had we played Wigan we would of done the same. Get a grip you mong......
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I believe only 2 or 3 of the stands were open for this game. As it wasn't quite finished, As we wanted the Saints game to be our final at CP.
Good attendance by your lot, would have been nice to have been a sell out, though.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Most likely the case, but when you are 75 and don't have internet connection how do you know about late allocations? if I had known I would have rang and told him.'"
Very true, it's just an unfortunate situation I suppose.
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| well done on tv too
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| Quote ="Pieman"well done on tv too'"
I read about that. 80% up on Widnes v Wakefield on opening night and up on the Grand Final as well?
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| Quote ="Supreme Saint"St Helens v Salford City Reds: 15,547
Wigan Warriors v Leeds Rhinos: 15,370
Warrington Wolves v London Broncos: 10,834
Huddersfield Giants v Widnes Vikings: 8,869
Wakefield Wildcats v Hull KR: 8,612
Castleford Tigers v Bradford Bulls: 8,054'"
TBH, I had expected our first game at LP to be a sell out, however to put it in persective, 2 years ago at KR and certainly last year at Widnes, we would have been one of, if not the lowest attendance of those above, so to jump from that to the top isn't to be sneezed at. I hope we can average between 14-15K this year, but expect our average to settle down to something more like 12k in a couple of years time, which will still be a significant increase on KR averages.
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| We'll struggle to hit 15k average now with the reduced capacity. But 14k is still doable, Catalan will be telling as the drop off will be as severe as it can be when they come to town.
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| Other clubs with new grounds have increased attendance figures in the second and third seasons.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"We'll struggle to hit 15k average now with the reduced capacity.'"
Surely that isn't a permanent thing?
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| It only has to last up to say the Leeds or Wigan game to have an impact. If we sell 17,200, then it's had an impact, as we could have sold 17,201.
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| According to the RLFANS.STATS page, the attendance against Salford in 2010 (last year at KR) was 7728, so we doubled that - but probably because it was the first League game.
The real test will be the Catalans game - in 2010, we got 8442 at KR, and that was played in July of that year. This year, with 10,000 season tickets sold, them not bringing a lot, being cold, not being on TV, and with a few walk ups, I would hope we get at least 12,000, which would be a very good increase in my opinion.
For the 2010 season, our average was 11,191 (for just SL games - not play off games). We had 2 x 17500 sellouts in successive games, and big crowds against Hull (in the fog, Sean Long's return) and Cas (last league game at KR).
For this season, I would expect sellouts against Wigan and Warrington, close to sellouts against Leeds (sunday game should mean they bring a few) and Widnes, and decent crowds against the 2 Hull teams who generally bring a good number of supporters. If we could average 14,000, I think that would be a brilliant achievement - almost a 25% increase from KR.
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| Quote ="hotpot100"According to the RLFANS.STATS page, the attendance against Salford in 2010 (last year at KR) was 7728, so we doubled that - but probably because it was the first League game.
The real test will be the Catalans game - in 2010, we got 8442 at KR, and that was played in July of that year. This year, with 10,000 season tickets sold, them not bringing a lot, being cold, not being on TV, and with a few walk ups, I would hope we get at least 12,000, which would be a very good increase in my opinion.
For the 2010 season, our average was 11,191 (for just SL games - not play off games). We had 2 x 17500 sellouts in successive games, and big crowds against Hull (in the fog, Sean Long's return) and Cas (last league game at KR).
For this season, I would expect sellouts against Wigan and Warrington, close to sellouts against Leeds (sunday game should mean they bring a few) and Widnes, and decent crowds against the 2 Hull teams who generally bring a good number of supporters. If we could average 14,000, I think that would be a brilliant achievement - almost a 25% increase from KR.'"
I thought we had lost the STATS page, do you have a link?
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Cheers Rogues
and people say your just here to wind us up, but really you just here to provide useful public information
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Cheers Rogues
and people say your just here to wind us up, but really you just here to provide useful public information
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| Quote ="hotpot100"According to the RLFANS.STATS page, the attendance against Salford in 2010 (last year at KR) was 7728, so we doubled that - but probably because it was the first League game.
The real test will be the Catalans game - in 2010, we got 8442 at KR, and that was played in July of that year. This year, with 10,000 season tickets sold, them not bringing a lot, being cold, not being on TV, and with a few walk ups, I would hope we get at least 12,000, which would be a very good increase in my opinion.
For the 2010 season, our average was 11,191 (for just SL games - not play off games). We had 2 x 17500 sellouts in successive games, and big crowds against Hull (in the fog, Sean Long's return) and Cas (last league game at KR).
For this season, I would expect sellouts against Wigan and Warrington, close to sellouts against Leeds (sunday game should mean they bring a few) and Widnes, and decent crowds against the 2 Hull teams who generally bring a good number of supporters. If we could average 14,000, I think that would be a brilliant achievement - almost a 25% increase from KR.'"
Funnily enough the Salford attendance was not too different at KR than it was at Widnes, there was a difference but not as stark as say the difference between Wigan at KR and Widnes.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Correct,
Who would have thought that Saints couldn't sell out their opening game at their new stadium or sell out their final game at their old stadium?'"
Shhhhh...
Wigan v Cas first match in pie dome Attendance 13900 Warm September day ... remind me of the result...
Saints V Salford last Friday ..... obvious comaparisons
Which opening day would you have rather had?
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