Am I? Am I really? It would hardly be a shocking revelation if a cash strapped business cut corners and made compromises on such an expensive purchase. I'm not criticising the club for it necessarily, in fact if they didn't do it deliberately it puts them in a worse light, as it would mean they were all pretty much incompetent in not recognising that having enormous holes would, just maybe, lead to water getting in. I'd still go for it being a cost saving measure, because one stand was built fully clad, which makes this insistence that the floating roof and enormous holes were a deliberate design feature look a bit silly. It's also worth noting that there have been a couple of new grounds built and designed by the same company we used, that are essentially identical to Langtree Park and which are fully clad on all stands. These were already in the building phase when Langtree Park was opened, which again adds weight to the suggestion the cladding was removed from the design as a cost saving measure.

McManus has done a great deal for the club and we should all be very grateful for that. But that doesn't make him some sort of god, he makes mistakes, as any business leader does. If he sorts this issue, great, if not I'm not bothered really as I have a coat and waterproof shoes so I won't get wet anyway.

Yup. It's an attempt to keep the ferral inhabitants of the internet forums from getting into too much of a frenzy. Clearly nothing has changed on the issue since it first came up. Saints don't want to pay for it, neither do the designers or builders as they had the final designs signed off without cladding.

I'm willing to put money on it not getting done this year, they will come up with the excuse that the time frame prevented us from fling it.

As ive said all along, they don't want to do it because it costs money.

They are giving the fans the latest information on the situation, the fact that the situation hasn't changed doesn't mean it's not an update.




From a company that lost a great deal of money in the last few years, are you surprised? You own a business don't you? How easy is it for a company making a loss to finance a large loan these days? From what I hear, not very.

Perhaps all the fans moaning about it will accept a 20% increase on season ticket prices and gear to go towards paying for it without complaining about prices rising?

Yes I own my business but I've never made a loss, I've always been in profit



I can see your point but if this problem isn't put to bed ASAP then people will stop going. If they get soaking wet every week then I think fans might not go.

For example - say we was playing Hudds Friday, its throwing it down but its a sky live game, will people stay in or go in and get wet ?

Running my own business also makes me very very aware of health & safety, IMO the wet concrete floors are massive safety issue, the concrete slabs are power float finish meaning its smooth making it slippery. Where the is blame, the us a claim.

Also, I know for a fact the concrete mix for rhe floors in concourses are not for outside conditions like cold, snow and rain. If the is a continued amount of water on that concrete floor, I'm pretty certain few years down the line it will break up. The whole floor would then have to be dug out and re-slabbed.

IMO saints need to come up with something as its only going to come back and bite them in the end and could prove very expensive.

One national journalist mocked it today nicely in twitter, for me it tends to sum the game of rugby league currently!

update
Verb:
Make (something) more modern or up to date.
Noun:
An act of bringing something or someone up to date, or an updated version of something.

Just because they're telling us about it, doesn't make it an update. An update suggests by it's very nature that something has changed, which it hasn't. I've never had a conversation with someone where they have updated me on the fact that nothing has changed.

I have no idea why I'm even getting into this to be honest, it doesn't really matter.

Quote ="theblondebomber"Cladding update!!!! www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/2534'" All Saints really needed to insert in there somewhere was 'going forward' and the piece could have been produced by the council. It says precisely nothing but is written in such a way as to persuade people who don't think too hard about what they read that it is actually saying something. Remember, in the last statement, the club was actually specific in saying that work on the cladding would begin in the off season. I wonder if the club lied ....

Quote ="theblondebomber"Cladding update!!!! www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/2534'" All Saints really needed to insert in there somewhere was 'going forward' and the piece could have been produced by the council. It says precisely nothing but is written in such a way as to persuade people who don't think too hard about what they read that it is actually saying something. Remember, in the last statement, the club was actually specific in saying that work on the cladding would begin in the off season. I wonder if the club lied ....

Yes IMO they lied.

Why would they lie. If they had, when the cladding was not done the uproar would be twice as bad as if they had just said "Sorry can't afford it!".

Er, because they don't want to divulge the truth? That's usually why people lie is it not?

Mike A has written a great bit of corporate tosh. I work for a council; I'm used to reading corporate tosh.

OED definition:

give (someone) the latest information about something:
the reporter promised to keep the viewers updated

Just because the latest information is nothing much has changed...

Did they at KR?



I accept that it's an issue that needs resolving as soon as possible, I'm just not sure it's as easy for the club as some people appear to think it is.

they never got nearly 9000 season tickets a month before christmas there either. Another year and broken promises and people will stop renewing, maybe not 1000's but some.

I think the fact they brought it up again shows their intent. If they wanted to ignore the issue so it would go away, putting it across the front page of the website ain't going to do that.

Whether the statement says anything new is debatable but it's only picking at slight differences, whether you think it's an update a refresh, a lastest state of play in the end I think we all agree that cladding is required.

I would suggest that the club has put this out because they have been asked about it. If someone asks you a question there are 3 options, say nothing, say the truth, say a lie.

Did mcManus rob your house or beat you up or something. You do post the biggest load of GONADS I have ever read.

Well what a load of cock, there is no impact this year barring the first year glory hunters, we're already well past many peoples expectations for this season, without even putting the cladding issue into the mix, which for 99% of the Saints isn't that much of an issue, would be nice to have, just like have the donuts in the catering stands is a nice to have, but not really gonna be of impact if not stocked.

...... glory hunters?

May need rephrasing that comment.

Glory "hunters" doesn't mean they are going to get any

The fact our crowds are up and our season ticket sales are sky high compared to when we was at KR shows it did matter.

I was one of the first people to go in the stadium as it was being built. First thing I saw was how open it was and remember thinking how wet people will get.

It shouid have been done from the start, its disappointing that we need things fixing and the stadium is only 12 month old.

Then don't read what I write, since you are entirely unable to respond at the level of adult anyway.

I tried that but as your drivel is quoted and sneered at by just about everybody on here it was a complete waste of time hiding you.

I think that's the crux of it. Whoever agreed to the original plans was clearly mental. Did they think we resided in Tenerife? It always rains over here and a soaking concourse in 3 stands of a brand new stadium is unacceptable.

It's good that Saints have realised it's a problem and are trying to resolve the issue, but if the engineers deem that we can't clad the stadium, then we've royally fecked up agreeing to the original design.

Find it amazing when someone does not agree that it is "Drivel" I always thought a Forum was about opinions not just patting each other on the back, and it is not just here!

IF it is found cladding can't be added to the ground then it is one big mistake and mess! after spending so much money, shame like many RL grounds money was not spent on Knowsley Road when the Sky era started.