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| Quote ="Saint_Claire"Some of us are easily distracted by others' tery.....obviously me as I bit
But no, I agree. It doesn't on paper look like the best of ideas, but if it turns out to be true, we can only assume that Eamon knows what he is doing....'"
Let's hope so, the Jury is out and at least you have to give the guy a chance!
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| I would be amazed if the majority of Eccleston/Windle supporters wont go, i know i will, and alot of my friends with kids have said they will start taking them when there's decent facilities to take them too
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| New grounds almost without fail lead to a spike in attendances. Whether that's long-term or not who knows but there will definitely be a jump in attendances thanks to the new-stadium effect.
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| Quote ="jaybs"Let's hope so, the Jury is out and at least you have to give the guy a chance!'"
Just to clarify, I meant on paper the idea of Royce Simmons; the stadium I'm 100% for.
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| I hope he says "Daymn!" when interviewed by bill arthur
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| They haven't even appointed a contractor yet to build it. The more important queston is how many Eccleston lazy s will travel to Widnes.
On the plus side we could just tell this new coach that Widnes is our ground and he wont know any difference.
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| Quote ="jaybs"That about sums it up, how many people especially younger supporters know their local club history? I was not old enough to see Tom play, but I know the club's history and I have read books and watched video of Vollenhoven. The method of voting could have lead to repeat voting, that would be done more by younger supporters than older who would have supported Tom. My suggestion when the idea was first muted was for the statue to be two or three players to reflect the history of the club as well as present.
Do you not accept Billinge Lump that if the same type of voting for say such a TV show from the 60's and the present that it would be the latter that would always win, it says a lot that the vote was so close and the loyalty and knowledge of the older supporters.'"
You wanted the club to set up independently audited phone lines for the vote?
Perhaps they should have done it by postal vote only? Then only the old biddies would have voted as it's quite possible that none of the youth of today can address an envelope properly.
FWIW, I voted for either Van Vollenhoven or Murphy (can't remember which), and I think Elmer Fudd is a poor choice for the statue at this time, just due to the fact he's still playing.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"You wanted the club to set up independently audited phone lines for the vote?
Perhaps they should have done it by postal vote only? Then only the old biddies would have voted as it's quite possible that none of the youth of today can address an envelope properly.
FWIW, I voted for either Van Vollenhoven or Murphy (can't remember which), and I think Elmer Fudd is a poor choice for the statue at this time, just due to the fact he's still playing.'"
I totally agree with you about the postal vote LOL! My Vote was for Tom as I don't agree with statues for living players (still playing), but I did put forward that the statue could have been three players honoring a few greats era's as well as today.
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| Tom's alive last time looked.
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| Quote ="Carlos Alberto"Tom's alive last time looked.'"
Total Apologies! that should have read players currently playing!
If you watch the 2 hour DVD of Tom being asked about our great game, it shows what an ambassador he is and is still alive and proud of RL as shown in the recent SA Tour matches.
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| On this subject of the statue, Stevo always gets it wrong and I think a few on here do as well, the statue is not to honour KC personally it is to honour the club, if you have a look closely Keiron's name does not apear on the statue just the words THE SAINTS
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| Quote ="jaybs"I totally agree with you about the postal vote LOL! My Vote was for Tom as I don't agree with statues for living players (still playing), but I did put forward that the statue could have been three players honoring a few greats era's as well as today.'"
They couldn't afford an independently audited phone line, they certainly couldn't afford the bronze for three players
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I know where you're coming from, but to play devil's advocate . . . .
Vollenhoven played 417 times for Saints, KC has played 504 so far (according to Saints Heritage Society)
Vollenhoven played for 11 seasons, KC has played for 17
Vollenhoven was South African, KC in a St Helens lad
Vollenhoven is all time top try scorer, KC is all time top try scoring forward
Vollenhoven won the league championship 2 times, KC has won it 5 times
Vollenhoven won the challenge cup 2 times, KC has won it 7 times
Now I'm not suggesting Vollenhoven shouldn't have got the statue (he was my vote) but it's not as clear cut as you might at first think.'"
Nail on head.
How people can claim KC shouldn't have been the choice for the statue simply because he is still playing is beyond me. His record speaks for itself - he will absolutely be held in the same esteem as Voll, Murphy, et al.
A club legend, whether retired yet or not, and worthy of all the plaudits that come his way.
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| Keiron deserves the award cause he got the most votes,simple really and yes i voted for keiron and i am in my early 40's.
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| Keiron deserved it because old rugby was utter rubbish. In the olden days people couldn't run properly. People ran like they were tickertape animations and were even black and white in some instances.
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| Can we not get back on topic please ?
Royce Simmons looks a cert now imo. Stevo looked very excited on boots n all.
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| Quote ="Chief Scout"Can we not get back on topic please ?
Royce Simmons looks a cert now imo. Stevo looked very excited on boots n all.'"
It's a good job you didn't take up the Meninga bet isn't it? It looks as though I was correct after all, or has Meningas agent told you something else.
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| Quote ="Chief Scout"Can we not get back on topic please ?
Royce Simmons looks a cert now imo. Stevo looked very excited on boots n all.'"
I'm willing to give him his fair chance, he's got alot of experience, but i will be underwelmed if he is announced our new head coach. That said i was when we took on Millward from Leigh, and he did alright
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"I'm willing to give him his fair chance, he's got alot of experience, but i will be underwelmed if he is announced our new head coach. That said i was when we took on Millward from Leigh, and he did alright'"
Tis a bit underwhelming, but the ABP* mob will be pleased.
[size=85* Anyone But Potter[/size
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Tis a bit underwhelming, but the ABP* mob will be pleased.
[size=85* Anyone But Potter[/size'"
well they've got what they asked for
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Keiron deserved it because old rugby was utter rubbish. In the olden days people couldn't run properly. People ran like they were tickertape animations and were even black and white in some instances.'"
That clearly shows you depth of rugby knowledge, even though it was not my era I am aware that you do not get wingers these days like Tom or Bevan at Warrington, they were real speed men, perhaps Albert was the nearest. I Rate Paul Wellens more than KC, Paul is a gentleman and has been a credit to the club and game, most people outside of rugby league only know KC for the disgust expressed by Mail readers about his gun shooting! at least people outside of the game know of Vollenhoven and Murphy for example for what they achieved. The vote is sounding more and more like X Factor and that is a joke at times.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Tis a bit underwhelming, but the ABP* mob will be pleased.
[size=85* Anyone But Potter[/size'"
I don't think that mob exists.
The mob who have not been happy with a lot of what has happened to the team and the way they have played (and still play defensively more times than not) has existed and still exists. But just because people don't agree with one coach does not mean they want any old body to replace that coach. I certainly don't. I've never heard of the latest guy as he was around before my time but from what people have said he does not sound like a very good option. Hence, although I have not been happy with Potter I don't want worse than Potter. I want better than Potter.
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| Quote ="jaybs"That clearly shows you depth of rugby knowledge, even though it was not my era I am aware that you do not get wingers these days like Tom or Bevan at Warrington, they were real speed men, perhaps Albert was the nearest. I Rate Paul Wellens more than KC, Paul is a gentleman and has been a credit to the club and game, most people outside of rugby league only know KC for the disgust expressed by Mail readers about his gun shooting! at least people outside of the game know of Vollenhoven and Murphy for example for what they achieved. The vote is sounding more and more like X Factor and that is a joke at times.'"
Quick, get the landing net.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I don't think that mob exists.'"
Eh?? Have you never been on redvee?
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| Quote ="jaybs"That clearly shows you depth of rugby knowledge, even though it was not my era I am aware that you do not get wingers these days like Tom or Bevan at Warrington, they were real speed men, perhaps Albert was the nearest. I Rate Paul Wellens more than KC, Paul is a gentleman and has been a credit to the club and game, most people outside of rugby league only know KC for the disgust expressed by Mail readers about his gun shooting! at least people outside of the game know of Vollenhoven and Murphy for example for what they achieved. The vote is sounding more and more like X Factor and that is a joke at times.'"
What a load of bo11ocks,KC only known for his gun shooting,idiot.
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