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| Quote ="MacBlondie"Well the soap dodgers are already talking about the world club challenge'"
Just been on SS.com and seen no mention of it?
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| I think it will be tight game with nothing in it.
My worry is it will go how the giants game went on Friday but Wigan will have more threat than the giants. Wigan will want to play us deep in our own half as we struggle to get up the field without pens like on Friday.
Wigan know that at the moment we can score from in our own half and will pin us down deep in our own half, so I wouldn't be shocked to see them kick alot.
Saints need to play the same game they did against the wolves, we need to rip it up down the middle and our kicking game has to be spot on.
Against the wolves we did alot of dummy half running and if we get a roll on we will cause the pies trouble but I fear we will rely on pens to piggy back us up the field.
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| Quote ="St pete"Saints need to play the same game they did against the wolves, we need to rip it up down the middle and our kicking game has to be spot on.'"
I agree. But to do that, Potter will need to play Smith at 7, which I doubt he will do.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I agree. But to do that, Potter will need to play Smith at 7, which I doubt he will do.'"
Kyle is out so smith will be scrumhalf
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| Quote ="St pete"Kyle is out so smith will be scrumhalf'"
How do you know?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"How do you know?'"
Kyle himeslf in the paper says he's out of the final and four nations
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"we have little to no chance against the pies IMO'"
Was your post tongue in cheek? Is this a sarcastic statement?
Keep it tight in the forwards and we'll overpower Wigan.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Doesn't matter. Wigan are superb defensively. They get three or four men into every tackle, even if two of them are technically flops. They then hold on, waiting not for the first move call, but the second. They then peel off one by one and 8 or 9 seconds later the opposition faces a set line of defenders who are rapidly encroaching. That IMO is the main reason they are where they are in the table and in the Grand Final.
What Saints require is a strong willed refereeing performance.'"
Hope and pray for Bentham then, because if you get him you'll pi[iss[/i it!
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| bugger that we want ganson!
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| Quote ="Saddened!"If Kyle isn't 100% we've got an enormous task on our hands. They are superb defensively and without Kyle's pace we're only going to be scoring kicks from 5 metres out. Getting there against Wigan won't be easy either if the referee allows them to dominate the play the balls through allowing them 8 or 9 seconds to get off the grounded player.'"
You're such a . The Wigan players get off the player at the same speed as every other team does. They control the tackle, which is why the defensive line has time to reset itself. But of course they're cheating aren't they. Blinded fool.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"we have little to no chance against the pies IMO
Our only hope is to get penalties then have the King weave his magic. If the pies target Keiron and take him out the game. Something i expect them to do. Then it will be game over and an easy victory by 20-30 points by Wigan.
The signs were there against Hudds, who just ripped us apart for long periods. it was only when the King was on the field that we looked like we had a clue what to do with the football.
The positive thing from Saints perspective is making a grand final without hardly ever having two fit halves, often playing matches with effectively just 15 fit players in the squad. Even against Hudds we went into the first half with only 12 men on the pitch and in the second half we were down one rotation player.
Last night was i feel our cup final.
Put it this way. IF we do defeat Wigan in the final. It will be one of the greatest victories ever.'"
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| I think we need either Kyle or Jonny in there if one of them is fit, we lacked an injection of pace into the line early on against hudds.
Also, yes Wigan have a very well drilled and organised defence but so do Hddersifeld who we put 42 points on last week. Also with some players back in the squad then we should tighten up defensively. Soliola appears to tackle anything that comes anywhere near him and will hold the centre of the pitch if he plays second row. I would also be tempted to put flannery out in the centre's just to tighten up the Ade/Meli wing. He's produced some excellent defensive displays at centre and we may need the in the final.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"I think we need either Kyle or Jonny in there if one of them is fit, we lacked an injection of pace into the line early on against hudds.'"
That's because Kyle wasn't fit and no-one else other than Jamie Foster has pace in our team. Kyle is not fit. End of story really. Whether Lomax is fit I don't know. He isn't as fast as Kyle but he can do a great sidestep and a fabulous dance routine.
Quote Soliola appears to tackle anything that comes anywhere near him and will hold the centre of the pitch if he plays second row. '"
IF! Potter put him at centre originally. What a waste of a good hitter that is.
Quote I would also be tempted to put flannery out in the centre's just to tighten up the Ade/Meli wing. He's produced some excellent defensive displays at centre and we may need the in the final.'"
I agree. We should drop Meli, who has cost us tries in all of our Grand Finals, and have a Flannery/Gardner combo on that wing. It isn't ideal but it's better than Meli/Gardner or, even worse, A N Other/Meli.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"That's because Kyle wasn't fit and no-one else other than Jamie Foster has pace in our team. Kyle is not fit. End of story really. Whether Lomax is fit I don't know. He isn't as fast as Kyle but he can do a great sidestep and a fabulous dance routine.
IF! Potter put him at centre originally. What a waste of a good hitter that is.
I agree. We should drop Meli, who has cost us tries in all of our Grand Finals, and have a Flannery/Gardner combo on that wing. It isn't ideal but it's better than Meli/Gardner or, even worse, A N Other/Meli.'"
Drop Meli? Are you mad fool?
1 - Wellens
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14 - Puletua
15 - Soliola
16 - Moore
17 - Emmit
Strong bench, strong 13 IMO. I've changed my mind on a Roby/Smith halfback combination as having Lomax in there helps in other areas. The bench would be far better than Wigan's.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Drop Meli? Are you mad fool?'"
True. He's gifted Leeds three Grand Finals; may as well give one to Wigan too.
Quote 1 - Wellens
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Just thought I'd fix that for you.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"IF! Potter put him at centre originally. What a waste of a good hitter that is.'" No he didn't. Soliola was stood in the 2nd row channel on gidley's side from the beginning.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"we have little to no chance against the pies IMO
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You been out for a pint with DD when you wrote this?
It's gonna be a humdinger of a game I think.
I think our front row is the key to the game, If we control it up front we have a great shot.
As underdogs have their day every now and again then lets hope it's ours come Saturday.
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| Quote ="THELAST3YARDS"You been out for a pint with DD when you wrote this?
It's gonna be a humdinger of a game I think.
I think our front row is the key to the game, If we control it up front we have a great shot.
As underdogs have their day every now and again then lets hope it's ours come Saturday.'"
I know Wigan were did win the league and were impressive on Saturday but the bookies seem to think they are quite strong favourites for Saturday. I wask kine of expecting them to think it pretty close.
Was anyone else surprised that we are considered definite underdogs on Saturday ?
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| We're missing our 2 best half backs. We finished 4 points behind Wigan in the league table. Wigan are at Full Strength. The RFL will want a Wigan win for Terry Newton.
We're MASSIVE underdogs but bring it on!!!! Come on Saints!!!
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| Quote ="Chief Scout"We're missing our 2 best half backs. We finished 4 points behind Wigan in the league table. Wigan are at Full Strength. The RFL will want a Wigan win for Terry Newton.
We're MASSIVE underdogs but bring it on!!!! Come on Saints!!!'"
I agree with all that, but my gut feeling is although Wigan were great defensively on Saturday, they were quite fortunate with the tries they scored ie ball slipping out, break of the ball from kicks etc. In addition the Leeds attack seemed pretty toothless. I think if we can get up into attacking positions with Graham, Tony P and KC, these lads are going to take a bit of stopping !
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| They won at our gaff, we won at theirs, we had much bigger injury issues, but still only 4 points behind them, they are playing their best attacking player at fullback! We go into this as 50:50 as i can remember a final
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"They won at our gaff, we won at theirs, we had much bigger injury issues, but still only 4 points behind them, they are playing their best attacking player at fullback! We go into this as 50:50 as i can remember a final'"
Didn't we also win our respective semi finals by the same number of points?
I can't wait, me. I haven't felt this excited by a Grand Final for years!
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"They won at our gaff, we won at theirs, we had much bigger injury issues, but still only 4 points behind them, they are playing their best attacking player at fullback! We go into this as 50:50 as i can remember a final'"
I would say they are slight favourites due to us missing some key players and them being at full strength. However, who cares? Thats just how we like it!
Come on you Saints.
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