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| I agree with saddened.
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| People are entitled to their opinions. However he is a young lad making his way (out of position) and mistakes are expected to be made.
People starting threads slating his performance isent going to help (he reads these boards).
FWIW his a fantastic talent who will make it.
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| Quote ="Ashmeister"People starting threads slating his performance isent going to help (he reads these boards).'"
Jesuite H Kirshna. This again.
IFhe reads the boards, he has to expect to be bagged, like Tyrer getting his knickers in a twist for being called a turnstyle.
He should use posts that "cause offence" to help himself better his game. Use it as inspiration.
If he gets wound up reading these, he is going to struggle going to big away games were the fans will really be on him.
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| Quote ="Ashmeister"People are entitled to their opi
nions. However he is a young lad making his way (out of position) and mistakes are expected to be made.
People starting threads slating his performance isent going to help (he reads these boards).
FWIW his a fantastic talent who will make it.'"
Well tbh the lad isnt a winger and everyone knows it - people forget that positional play as a winger is bloody hard work at times. He did a couple of things that showed lack of experience (like the pass that was intercepted). Some of the lost ball was down to niggling in the tackle and again a bit of getting caught out by experienced pro's. For me he did ok and I'd love to see him get a bit of time at 6 with Pryce moving to 13 during a game. With young lads it's all about getting them the experience and hoping they make the step up but only time will tell.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I am quite offended by that.
In what way am I trolling? He didn't play well at all, I've not written him off or suggested he's pants have I?
And to Tobias, stop taking it to heart. It tears you apart that I criticise highly trained professional athletes? Get a grip. I spend a few grand a year 'supporting' Saints, so I think I am entitled to say it as it is on the forum.'"
You are indeed allowed an opinion, and after reading your diatribe I've come to the conclusion (and I'm sure I'm not alone in this) that you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
... and for what it is worth, supporting a team is a lot more than just paying your money over.
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| Wheeler was on a hiding to nothing last nght on that wing. Simply compare the number of times he touched the ball compared to Gardener. Playing out of position is difficult, but when the ball hardly comes your way it is difficult to 'stay in the game' so to speak, and you will always exect a mistake from a young player in such circumstances.
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| Quote ="Ski"Jesuite H Kirshna. This again.
IFhe reads the boards, he has to expect to be bagged, like Tyrer getting his knickers in a twist for being called a turnstyle.
He should use posts that "cause offence" to help himself better his game. Use it as inspiration.
If he gets wound up reading these, he is going to struggle going to big away games were the fans will really be on him.'"
You personally seem to bag any potential player at every oppotunity. I seem to remember you having a field day with Tyrer.
It's common sense. Why criticise a 19 year old lad playing out of position ? Infact i dont think i've ever seen him play on the wing in any youth games. So it's not like he as a bit of experiance there.
It's the experiance players that are not performing at the minute.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"I agree with saddened.'"
Im sure Saddened's thrilled.
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| How did he have a bad game?
Because he knocked on and passed inside to a man in support but a Salford player got in between them?
If thats the criteria for having a bad game then I guess all 17 had a bad game since they all made some mistake or other.
Try focusing on what he did well - his footwork for the "no-try" was amazing, his break before his mis guided pass was also top drawer.
He wasnt leaky in defence and there is no way he gets critisism from me about losing a ball in the air to an established SL player who is about 6 inches taller than him.
I do have to wonder why this guy is now getting some stick - I have been nothing but impressed with him in his few appearances
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| Quote ="Ashmeister"People are entitled to their opinions. However he is a young lad making his way (out of position) and mistakes are expected to be made.
People starting threads slating his performance isent going to help (he reads these boards).
FWIW his a fantastic talent who will make it.'"
In that case I'd advise him to stop.
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| Sorry if I missed it, but why didn't Armstrong play? I didn't hear about him getting a knock or anything. Seems strange to play a young stand-off there instead.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"I agree with saddened.'"
That's a shock.
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| Quote ="rammsteinbloke"Sorry if I missed it, but why didn't Armstrong play? I didn't hear about him getting a knock or anything. Seems strange to play a young stand-off there instead.'"
Maybe Potter believes Wheeler offers more in attack than Armstrong?
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| Quote ="rammsteinbloke"Sorry if I missed it, but why didn't Armstrong play? I didn't hear about him getting a knock or anything. Seems strange to play a young stand-off there instead.'"
Maybe Potter just wanted to give someone else an opportunity?
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| Quote ="Carlos Alberto"He's also playing out of position.'"
which doesnt make you knock on, miss one on one tackles or throw passes to the opposition.
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| Quote ="saintc"which doesnt make you knock on, miss one on one tackles or throw passes to the opposition.'"
True. That's just being human.
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| Cant believe ur slaggin him off ive played with him for years at brook he is a class player. People wud b moanin in years down the line when saints havent brough any youngster through
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| Quote ="stelynch"Cant believe ur slaggin him off ive played with him for years at brook he is a class player. People wud b moanin in years down the line when saints havent brough any youngster through'"
No one is slagging him off. Ski suggested he has a big chest, which is obvious, and I suggested he had a poor game, which he did.
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| He didn't have a poor game. He made a few panicy mistakes but that didn't add up to a poor game, and is very understandable in a youngster put on the big field. He did some good stuff too. He had a mixed game not a poor game.
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| Coming into the team, but being played out of position is a mixed blessing for him. He will be glad to be there, but frustrated he can't play in what he feels is his natural position.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"True. That's just being human.'"
Didnt say it wasnt. Was pointing out that playing poorly is playing poorly, and those kind of mistakes are nothing to do with playing out of position. Tackling, passing and catching are pre-requisites of all positions.
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| Quote ="saintc"Tackling, passing and catching are pre-requisites of all positions.'"
Yeah. I'd like our senior players to remember that, since they don't seem to be particularly good at two out of three of them at the moment.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Yeah. I'd like our senior players to remember that, since they don't seem to be particularly good at two out of three of them at the moment.'"
maybe so, but that has nothing to do with whether Wheeler played poorly or not, and why he did.
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| True mate. You'd know this having been to the game on Friday, ahem.
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