For the first time ever I am embarrassed to be a Saints fan but it's the 'fans' comments that bother me the most. I think we need to accept it's not 2006 and we're not in the top few teams in Super League at the moment. People calling for Brown to be sacked is laughable there's not a lot he can do with what he has, we should give him his contract length before judging him. We need to get behind the team and put trust in Brown to recruit well for the coming seasons.

The team selections are Brown's fault tho. Picking Greenwood (who I have been impressed with) at centre was madness, Widnes ran at him and scored 3 tries there. Not his fault, he isn't a centre.

I think as fans we need to get behind the young lads. Imagine what they must think, we are not doing their confidence any good whatsoever.

All i hear is People constantly slagging off the likes of ashe, gaskell when he was here, lomax when at 7, wilkin and lance etc etc. how do we know that Walsh (should we sign him) is even gonna make a difference? He still won't have the runners to pass to.

Yes it's hard and frustrating but these young lads need confidence and a lot of that comes from us. At one point tonight there was uproar cos we ran it on the last rather than kick but we actually ended up scoring from that play (lucky or not).

This bad form is down to injuries, lack of cohesion created by injuries and lack of confidence.

We missed sia big time last night as well as the other injuries but I thought Thompson looked really good and aggressive. Him and Walmsley are gonna be solid forwards for us in the future.

This period will be good for our future as long as we get behind them and get the team through it.

The song "you only sing when your winning" would be a pretty spot on song for our fans right now.

I'm not embarrassed about losing to the "lower" teams London or Widnes, I'm very embarrassed at the performances by the team. We are a total mess!

The injuries excuse doesn't wash with me against certain teams. Fair enough if we lost to Wigan, wolves, Leeds etc but we are getting best by the so called mediocre teams.

Last night for example, from the players out injured, only lomax, roby, sia and wilkin would have started in the starting 13 that would have any impact on our performace. Widnes also had key players out especially Hanbury and they had 3/4 returning from injuries.

The mess on the pitch is embarrassing. The missed tackles, the poor passing. We seem to lack basic skills, we can't pick bad passes off the floor for example, a bad pass equals a knock on.

If the rumours about Wigan wanting lomax are true then if I was lomax, I'd seriously be thinking about it. We are a team on the slide and the club lacks ambition.

Lomax to replace Tomkins when he leaves-you can see it happening

Rugby League is not just a game. It is much more important than that.

And I wouldn't blame him one little bit.

I suspect if that happened that would signal a mass non renewal of season tickets and some significant protests. The club would lose far more than it gained by a sale.

Feeling sorry for our Pie Munching friends over the lump though we could offer them a bargin with Wellens

On the subject of wello, he looks a very pale shadow of the player he was. I just hope fans remember the man of steel version and not this version

He is tarnishing his legacy , certainly for newer fans who've only ever seen the crap version of Wello.

He was anonymous last night. Literally just a warm body on the pitch, except for that break he made in the second half.

I'd be delighted if that were true, but can't see it happening; Jonny's been a Saints fan since he was a little lad playing for OSJ. I think he'll stay loyal to you.

Also 11,400 against Widnes, I seam to recall thinking that last year we'd be hoping to get between 14,000 to a sell out.

I maybe wrong but 11,400 does not seam to different to playing Widnes at KR. Don't get me wrong we needed the move, but it does seam people are now voting with their feet.

We actually had people sat around us who walked out just after half time. These are older fans too, not your run of the mill bandwagon jumpers. Rightly or wrongly, they said they couldn't stand to watch it any longer.

I fear come the end of the season, if the club doesn't do some PR work and damage limitation soon, people could start questioning whether they are getting value for money. The silence isnt doing the club any favours IMO.

One guy was hung over the dugout as the players were walking off the pitch. Lets just say he was questioning some individuals about their performances and stating that he pays hard earned money to watch a bit of effort. One of the high paid under performing imports looked at him, laughed in his face and walked off. Whilst I know the individual in question was venting his frustration, but the reaction of the player should have been to ignore it, the message he conveyed was the wrong one IMO.

The attendances have been the same all season though. We've consistently been down between 2,000 and 3,000 on last season. I rather think 2012 was the blip; people were curious about the new stadium.

Spot-on, that Saints team should have been good enough to turn Widnes over. There are major issues behind the scenes.

I think we can guess which overpaid import you refer to

Came very close to cutting up my season ticket up last night more in anger rather than frustration or dissapointment.
Far too many games this year were the players attitude is the worse I,ve seen since I,ve supporting the saints over the decades.
All the players with the exception of Walmsley, Thompson and Gardner couldn,t be bothered last night.
If they don,t show any passion for the saints shirt and keep coming up with this can,t be bothered attitude then Ill pack in and watch amateur rugby instead.

It is the imports who are really letting us down. They seem to have made a pact that they are just not interested. They are not that bad are they? I must say it is affecting the walk up crowd now. 11k against our closest rivals is poor

I would 100% let Laffranchi, Perry and TP go. They are off contract and don't deserve new deals.

The other import is Hohaia, we might have trouble getting shut of him. I can't see any NRL side paying the money we are and giving him a long deal like we did.

I'd consider keeping TP if he was a bench player but we'd need to bring in two good hard working props to play along side him

About 3 weeks into the season I was talking to one of the younger Saints players and he told me that let's just say a strong percentage of the team can't motivate themselves to play for Nathan Brown, as none of them want him in charge. They all wanted Cunningham to get the job. You've shown what you can do when you want to play, against us at the HJ for example. And I think it is embarrassing for your club the way a lot of your older players are performing. They're paid to play rugby not decide who is in charge and I can see it continuing until Brown gets the sack

Or maybe these senior players can't motivate themselves because Brown won't give them new deals.

A really useful point about Kez is he a help or a hindrance around the place I suppose time will tell

If they can't be bothered playing whilst they're still under contract it's not going to earn them a new one.

What is KC,s official capacity is he defence coach or conditioner or both. I ask because we have one of the laziest defences in superleague and we seem to the unfittest side in the competition.