Another pathetic response.

Yeah. I have said it earlier many times - really good coaches change a side's performance quickly and with longevity. Bennett with St George, Smith at Warrington and Maguire at Wigan (not that either of them compare to Bennett but it makes the point). Wigan will miss him - he's excellent and I'll be interested to see how they go next year.

Wish we'd found him or one like him.

Saintsfan is correct in the fact that Wigan dont play much off the cuff rugby but what they do play is well drilled rugby that's very effective.

In attack, their runners creates options which defences struggle to deal with which all comes from good coaching and lots of hard work and practice.

Wigan are a very well coached team both in attack and in defence which is a credit to their coach.

Spot on, we do play a few structured attacks and even the Wigan fans know which attack is for which side. But you try and stop it! we did the same play for Liams match winning try against you at the DW as we have all season and you could not stop it, We did it today! We did our left field attack at least 3 times today and Wire struggled with it every time.

I've never denied its effectiveness. It's just so predictable to watch. Predictable equates to boring in my book of personal preferences. And we haven't even touched on their three man in tackling technique (which does have the bonus of knackering them, leaving a window of opportunity for the teams who are awake).

Are Wigan the only team to use three tacklers?

She's been banned from the other forum.......don't know why you continue to tolerate her on here..............

Wigan's major weakness appears to be their habit of getting a 20 odd point lead and then going to sleep. Is it to do with their extra work in the tackle tiring them out? Hasn't cost the dear yet but may come back to bite them. Sadly the saints players on twitter yesterday were saying game over at 22 -0, whatever happened to their never say die attitude? Joynt must be turning in his grave

To be fair, it was not Saints facing that lead. It's one thing to think you can't do it, to thinking they can't do it.

We are a broad church.

Ever heard the phrase, I can not agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it.

She is hardly saying anything that goes against the rules of the forum, she is just saying Wigan are predictable and boring. She maybe wrong but there are no rules for being wrong, and being wrong is a matter of opinion not straight fact in this case.

However it is quite easy to make the arguement that what Roby does is predictable, does not mean it's easy to stop. Just as what Tomkins does is predictable but not easy to stop.

Neither would I say predictable is boring. But each to their own.

i might not always agree with saints fan, but she has as much right to contribute to this site as any saints fan and more right than fans of other teams.it is afterall a saints fans site first and foremost.

It's not a question of what you say, it's often a cse of the way in which it is said.

I too fully agree with all being able to contribute; when that comes down to unwarranted insults, childish comments etc, then I have a problem.

Chaqu'un a son gout so they say.........

I though Wire played quite well and would of beat every other super league side but Wigan play in spells when they suffocate you when you have the ball and create gaps when they have it. They control the PTB better than anyside I've seen and that wins them penalties or allows the AHB to get easy yards whilst your blowing out of your backsides trying to get back.
If you can stay in the game after the first 25 mins and try to expose Charnleys poor defence And then win the floor on contact you may have a chance but they are good to watch in defence and attack

Another pathetic response.

It's that predictable that not many teams can stop it, they are current champions, they are top of the league and in the semi of the challenge cup. If that's from playing predictable rugby then all the other coaches and players ain't doing their jobs right.

They might use the same moves but it's the runners that gives them options that's causing the defending team problems.

It's the same With roby, every man and his dog knows he's going to run from acting half and teams will work on trying to stop this but not many can, it's predictable but effective just like wigans play.

In other words my ex sweetie, it works!

I find it strange you say all tomkins does is his jinking run, that's some jinking run that teams can't stop! It's like saying all Paul newlove did was step off his left, all Martin offiah did was run round people etc

Some of warringtons tackling was shocking at times, especially carvel who missed two tackle which lead to Wigan scoring twice.

If Warrington want to be real contenders for the grand final they need handle being under pressure in defence. They fell apart when Wigan put them under pressure.

So. You've come on here with the intention of stirring things up, saying I make childish comments and unwarranted insults and yet you criticise my style of posting and insult me? Hmm. Pot, kettle and black springs to mind.

If you don't like what I post, or the way that I post it, then I'm sure there is an ignore facility on here so I'd suggest you use it. Just a suggestion, like.

The way i see it. It's a Internet forum where anyone is entitled to their views. Saintsfan always comes out with interesting views which results in debates which IMO makes for a better forum. If we all agreed on everything then this would be pretty boring.

Maybe saintsfan is a little biased to saints, certain players abd is very anti Wigan but as long as she's not insulting anyone I don't see a problem at all.

However, I do think sometimes you could be a little bit less harsh in some of your posts, especially over the last few days.

I think the forum is better for having saintfan on here abd certainly wouldn't want her banned.

Y'know, Pete, my little cupcake, you're repeating yourself, which is dull and therefore quite boring. Why not try a different introduction? Like 'That was a daft thing to say' or 'I think that was a stupid reply'. At least you won't then read like an online version of Wigan's attack.




And as bewareshadows so intelligently said, there is an argument which could say that what James Roby does is also predictable (gosh! sacrilige!) but there is no doubting its effectiveness and that he is hard to stop. Someone/something can be dull and effective, you know. Wigan are dull but effective because they are repetitive. The key, IMO, is not to let Wigan build up their well rehed attack but instead get in their faces in defence, which is what Wire did when they met Wigan earlier in the season, and Wire won. Because Wigan are so well rehed, if you screw with their pattern they don't know what to do. There are really only two players in the Wigan team who appear capable of true off the cuff rugby - Leuluai and Tomkins.


Well, you see, that is what I said!

Sorry my little flower but Wigan ain't dull and certainly not boring to watch.

Well you know, my little rosebud, if everyone agreed with each other the world would be almost as dull and predictable as Wigan passing to Pat Richards for a try. I'd hate it myself so I'm glad you have your view and I have mine.

Well my little buttercup, that's exactly what I've just wrote in your defence.

If Saints scored tries like Wigan did yesterday there would be no stopping her "great", "wonderful", "sublime" and any other adjectives she could use.

To say that was boring, dull, predictable rugby yesterday is disrespectful of the game of RL itself.

Rogues, steady on, next you'll be doing her in the Hague for Crimes against RL. Lets face it your wigan and the games over, any leanings I had towards wigan were only cause I did not want wire to do 3 CC on the bounce.

As Far as I'm concerned it's open season on Wigan again until you meet Wire penultimate game and my support will lean depending on how close to the Wire, Saints are at that point.

Looking at Wigan, you do seam to go at it a million miles an hour in the the first 30, if we can control the game in that 30 like we did at the DW, I reckon we have your card marked, just like we did at the DW until Hoffmister used under hand tactics to take out one of our last halfbacks. But now we have 4 available. So if you take out 1 we can replace them.

It's a good tactic as putting everything into that first 30 means most teams can't live with you, but I reckon we can. And we will.

Lets stuff the pies in the semi.






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Back on topic....

Wigan have shown in some of the big games this year that they're a fantastically drilled side both offensively and defensively.

Sure, they can be really frustrating to watch and play at times, especially when they hold down and slow the play the ball down, but if the refs allow them to get away with it, why would they stop doing it? At the end of the day, the rest of us need to wise up to it and be as effective in the tackle.

I think offensively, whilst they may not be as off the cuff as Warrington, they are very well structured and use dummer runners better than anybody in the country. They always create overlaps and it's difficult to defend especially when Tomkins is 3rd man out and uses his speed and slipperyness to evade opponents.

They would be big favourites against us in a potential Semi or Final and whilst we're capable of beating Wigan (they are beatable as the 24pts conceded - could've been 30pts if Hodgson had kicked the goals), we haven't shown form this year anywhere near capable of challenging them at the moment. We need to defend much better and play much smarter if we're to compete and not get blown away like Warrington did in 2 spells yesterday. IMO, we need a practically full strength side and a firing Leon Pryce playing to compete.