How have I changed my mind on Jamie?

Im still not convinced that lance is a halfback but I held held my hand up after the Leeds game and said maybe I was wrong but one game don't make a player. The following week lance was averse, his kicking was totally shocking! I'm willing to give him a chance to prove himself at halfback.

The difference between me and , I'm willing to accept if I'm wrong and won't stay bitter. Your that bitter I get the feeling your just waiting for a defeat so you can bag rush and KC and tell us all how good Royce was.

Which season are you talking about here?

Are you saying that, for example, our discipline was woeful against the Catalans Dragons? Against Salford? Against London? Did we make loads of mistakes in those games? What was wrong with the selections in those games? I'm sure you won't answer and it really doesn't matter if you do or don't.

Personally, I'm more concerned with what is going to happen once the big games are over with, the ones that require a proper coaching team in place, the ones when maybe our senior players don't feel quite up to doing the work, when talk of pride in the shirt and all that bollox has worn off. There will be plenty of those occasions. I'm just keeping my feet on the ground in anticipation of them.

If Royce was such a good coach why couldn't he give the senior players a kick up the backside?

Jeez, Pete, you can be so ridiculously childish sometimes!

It makes a change from being concerned if we will a game at all, no matter who we are playing!

I honestly think that.

What have a I changed my mind over with Jamie?

As Tim Sheens said, he speaks the language of the players, which is why he is well respected at Wests Tigers and why they want him back. That would have also made him sympathetic towards the players which is probably what led to his downfall.

You thought he should be dropped, just as we all did (some for his own good, some because they thought he was rubbish). You now slate Royce for dropping him for one game. So you have changed your mind about Foster.

Royce - " we didn't know what we was doing out there and I didn't know what we was doing and I'm the coach"

If that's the players language then I'm glad he's gone.

West tigers fans had a party when he left, read their forum comments on him.

Changed my mind on Jamie?

Which makes him perfect assistant, rather than head, coach material. Alas he wasn't our assistant coach.

Let's see if Wests give him the head coaching job seeing as they are so desperate to have him back...

Translation: "What the fook were you doing out there?"

Quite simple really.


I've replied to you on that already.

I posted on here before anyone else that IMO Jamie needed taking out the first team (not dropped) to build his confidence and maybe bring him down a peg or two as I got the feeling he thought he was better than he was.

I've never ever said rest backs, resting wingers and centres week in and week out like Royce knocked any sort of partnership you firm as a centre/winger partnership.

I think Jamie will come back better than he's ever been. I know for a fact he's chomping at the bit and when he gets back in, he intends to stay in because KC will not drop him if he's playing well unlike the idiot.

Just swallow your pride and admit Simmons was gash. We was boring, unorganised, clueless and lacked heart under him. The fact he was in charge for our worst ever run says it all.

That's fine. I have no problem with that. I hope he goes back there and continues the good work he was doing there.

He still got us to the Grand Final last season and he gave debuts to some very promising young players AND he did it all through a very turbulant time. So he was a decent head coach as well.

But lest I forget, he sinned against the Mighty Saints for we played BORING RUGBY!!! (We didn't, actually, at least not all the time, but hey, some fans think Daniel Anderson made us play boring rugby)

Worse than that ... WE LOST FOUR MATCHES and they were ON THE BOUNCE! Hellfire and damnation. Sacrilege. The unforgivable sin.

There you go. And now you slate Royce for doing the same thing.

The rest of what you said was your usual blather and I'm not interested in responding to it anymore.

It's the way we lost them and who we lost them to.

We was so disorganised is was funny! Totally clueless. Even the players didn't want him.

By the way, wasn't it you bagging potter for boring rugby?


We was suppose to be making Langtree park a fortress yet we've seen fans boo us off.

Bye bye royce, don't ever come back (unless it's as Wigan head coach)

Hull, you mean? They're now second in the table. Last season we lost to Quins and the team were booed off then as well. They were booed off against Hull while Potter was in charge too. Saints fans boo when they aren't happy with their team.

Last season we turned it around the very next game. Guess who we played? Ah yes. Leeds. Funny that.

Hull won't make the top four, they'll be lucky to make the top six.

He got the sack because he was gash

You think? Was Purtill gash too?

Are you really that daft?

The problem is that it appears to people reading your posts that you do.




I think most would be quite happy for him to carry on having a successful career.



Hmmm, but so did Potter. He achieved no more than Potter ever did, Potter had to introduce a lot of the players that Simmons picked, the only players that hadn't been brought into the first team under Potter were Makinson and Ashe IIRC.



Yet you have posted numerous diatribes about the very similar (in style and results) Potter...



We've been playing boring rugby since Millward left. We just had better players with more experience under Anderson.



It's the manner of the defeats that have been worrying, however I did think it only needed tinkering with when we were losing, it's just that Simmons didn't tinker in the right places.

You do seem to put Purtill's name forward in defence of Simmons quite a bit, why is that?

In defence? Don't be soft. He was sacked at the same time as Royce. If the change in coaching staff was as a result of Royce being 'gash' as Pete puts it, why was Purtill fired at the same time?

The whole change was to do with money. If the same set of results had happened this time last season I would happily bet my salary, such as it is, on Royce and Purtill not losing their jobs.

However, McManus, who in an interview clearly stated that he has become more 'hands on' since the stadium has been built, saw a lot of booing fans and thought 'Fook! I still owe my mate in Singapore three million! They can't all leave now! Let's get my little gofa in to save the day' Every organisation has its gofas. The club men. The ones who will wash the laundry and clean the toilets if the boss asks them to. Even when they are senior management.

So Mr. Teflon isn't a Saint?

Well you consistently bring him up as if it's unbelievable that he was sacked, and by association it's unbelievable that Simmons was sacked.



That's a lot of assumption, you don't know the internal workings or what went on behind closed doors. Maybe they wouldn't have been sacked at the same point last year, but at that point Simmons would only have had a few months in the job, rather than a year and a few months.



That's a pretty ridiculous statement and I'll leave that there, but I'd just like to point out to the grammar pedant, that it's spelt 'Gopher'