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| Quote ="paulshorpe"Leaving blanch open for his try.
Regarding the last, why is nobody 'jealous' of every other player in team. Lomax, Gaskell, Makinson and Dixon all make mistakes due to their age, but people accept its part and parcel. Similarly when they play well they don't go tweeting every time somebody says how well they played.
Everybody used to say about eastmond's ego. The fact is it was only rumour about him. The way foster comes out in the press is far worse, and eastmond is ten times the player of foster.
The average British sportsfan doesn't like all the publicity of players, maybe it's jealousy, maybe 'its just not very British'. They'd rather see a grafter who spends more time on the training pitch than in the papers'"
Because the other young players in the team don't have his image. He is popular with younger fans because of his image, his car and his hair cuts. It was in the paper saying his barber was doing around 400 copies of his hair everytime he changed it plus he is starting his own business it's this kind of positive attention at 21 that creates jealousy.
No matter how long Foster spends on the training pitch it wont help, his problem is in matches and the only way to iron out his mistakes is to give him more game time and support. Do people honestly think abusing and dropping him will improve him as a player?
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| Quote ="TheVee"I don't understand why Saints fans pick a player and then hammer him for everything. We know he's a good player usually solid under a high ball and a machine with the boot. He seems to be a target for some reason (maybe jealousy I don't know) but the other youngsters bad points are brushed aside as a learning curve. Instead of slating Fosters bad start to the year how about trying something unusual like giving him support ?'"
Top points - and it's been that way as long as I've watched the game
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| It's about time some supporters got off the lad's back and noticed mistakes other players are making.
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| To go back to the Wheeler contract situation; maybe Saints are being sensible and seeing how he copes injury wise this season before deciding whether to offer a new deal or not. Sorry to talk sense.
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| Quote ="Carlos Alberto"To go back to the Wheeler contract situation; maybe Saints are being sensible and seeing how he copes injury wise this season before deciding whether to offer a new deal or not. Sorry to talk sense.'"
Other clubs wont be waiting.
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| Then I an sure Saints will evaluate the situation when that time comes. We have Mark Percival coming through as well.
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| Jamie has the ability to be a top class Rl player, he just needs to focus more on games.
I think Saints and the RFL need to take him out of the media spotlight for now. All this poster boy of RL stuff is i think not doing his development any good.
For a start it means fans from all clubs are watching his every move, and secondly i think its causing a distraction for him.
I keep thinking of Kevin Penny, another player who was splashed all over everywhere as a wonder player, when infact he was just a promising kid. Look how that has sadly turned out.
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| Couple of things, there were alot of fans (me included) wanting to see more of Wheeler. Some people want it all their own way. Happy to call Meli not a centre, happy to diride Meli, and when Meli is replaced, happy to do more of the same on the replacement. No doubt should Wheeler be replaced with Makinson and it not work out, they will diride the coach for running out best winger and putting him in the centre.
I want Wheeler to get a contract, I know we have all joked about his biscuit status, but seriously, he's a very good player.
Foster: I think his head has gone.
This is not saying I think his head is too big etc etc. I think his confidence has gone. He was a good safe defender, catching balls, defending his line until mid-way last season. It has not come back. I remember these discussions over other wingers in the past. He needs more game time verse drop him. I remember seeing wingers get more time week after week after week. All that did was give the opposition more and more time to hit his confidence. Target him and therefore make him more of a scapegoat, and rather than support fans start to get tired of the same or worse week after week.
It think a stint in the reserves takes the pressure off and lets a lad do what they need to do, get the match practice without the pressure. I don't want to see foster fail, but if we keep throwing him out their hoping it will fix it'self, it won't.
In the academy those high balls and defensive patterns will not be as exposed to so much hype. He will simply have to concentrate on rugby, and getting into a routine, once that routine is in place, then bring him back for a non-televised match, or CC match.
The wing spot long term is his to loose, Ade will not be around for ever. But in terms of competition for places at the moment it's not bringing the best out of him.
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| Quote ="Carlos Alberto"Then I an sure Saints will evaluate the situation when that time comes. =#FF0000We have Mark Percival coming through as well.'"
He looks a very good prospect.
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| He's the biggest one trick pony about. As I said on here 18 months ago. I'm sure many of you will remember, most of you argued against me at the time. Possibly the worst thing about his game is that it's regressed since then, he's become even more one dimensional.
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| Shadows, I agree with your post entirely and I think it's pretty much the only sensible post I've read on the subject of Jamie Foster. When he dropped that ball last night his head went down. He looked absolutely rocked by what he had done, and he was on Twitter apologising again. He's had too much to distract him and he needs to be helped back to focus. He was great in the first half. But he makes a mistake and he can't recover from it. Not that he got much help from his team mates of course, there was nobody in support defensively. But either way I think he needs some protection for a while, time to refocus and get his career back on track. Given that we have just signed him for two years the coaching staff obviously see some potential in him but at present I think if he makes more gaffs then his confidence will be shot.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Wheeler to me looks eerily similar to Kyle Eastmond last season with his body language. It makes you wonder if the rumours he's agreed a deal with Wigan are true. His deal is expring at the end of the season.'"
If he has " done a deal " as your rumour suggests then its an illegal one,he cant talk to anyone yet.
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| Quote ="brook40"If he has " done a deal " as your rumour suggests then its an illegal one,he cant talk to anyone yet.'"
Of course they can.
Saints with Shenton and LMS, Wire with Ratchford. Leeds with Griffin, Catalan with Pryce etc.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Shadows, I agree with your post entirely and I think it's pretty much the only sensible post I've read on the subject of Jamie Foster. When he dropped that ball last night his head went down. He looked absolutely rocked by what he had done, and he was on Twitter apologising again. He's had too much to distract him and he needs to be helped back to focus. He was great in the first half. But he makes a mistake and he can't recover from it. Not that he got much help from his team mates of course, there was nobody in support defensively. But either way I think he needs some protection for a while, time to refocus and get his career back on track. Given that we have just signed him for two years the coaching staff obviously see some potential in him but at present I think if he makes more gaffs then his confidence will be shot.'"
I think he needs putting back in the u20s to regain some confidence and also bring him down a peg or two.
People have bagged Meli for years for maning mistakes that cost us tries but people try to defend foster because if his age, the way I see it, he's being paid good money and given enough chances and if he's not good enough it's his tough luck but being young isn't a excuse for dropping ball.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Shadows, I agree with your post entirely and I think it's pretty much the only sensible post I've read on the subject of Jamie Foster. When he dropped that ball last night his head went down. He looked absolutely rocked by what he had done, and he was on =#FF0000Twitter apologising again. He's had too much to distract him and he needs to be helped back to focus. He was great in the first half. But he makes a mistake and he can't recover from it. Not that he got much help from his team mates of course, there was nobody in support defensively. But either way I think he needs some protection for a while, time to refocus and get his career back on track. Given that we have just signed him for two years the coaching staff obviously see some potential in him but at present I think if he makes more gaffs then his confidence will be shot.'"
There's his biggest distraction... He needs to stay off this and re-focus himself so that his priority is RL and not Social Networking
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| Perhaps I have no room to comment because he is not a WTW player but from a neutrals point of view he comes across as a ponce. He seems to have the attitude of a 'footballer' and not a rugby league player. Paul Sculthorpe was the face of rugby league for a reason, a model professional, a great player, an excellent advertisement for the sport of rugby league. He was a good looking lad too who did promotions for gillette etc and he never let his eye of the prize. I fear Jamie Foster's career as an elite RL player will be over quicker than it started if he concentrates on his image rather than his ability.
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| Quote ="St_Cunningham_no9"There's his biggest distraction... He needs to stay off this and re-focus himself so that his priority is RL and not Social Networking'"
I think he gets a bigger buzz off using twitter to brag about himself, he'll soon be bragging he's playing at Leigh sports village if he don't get himself sorted.
I've stuck up for him in the past when he's been called a one trick pony but it's looking like that might be the case.
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| Quote ="St pete"I've stuck up for him in the past when he's been called a one trick pony but it's looking like that might be the case.'"
When did you ever stick up for Jamie Foster?
What I'd like to happen is for Jamie to be dropped to the u20s for a while not as a punishment but to protect him from the inordinately hostile attention he receives the minute he makes a mistake which, in turn, knocks his confidence and leads him to making more mistakes. The guy is desperate to do well for Saints and his anxiety is clear to see when he messes up. To top that off he has to deal with rabid halfwit Saints fans getting on his case like he is the sole reason for the team being useless in defence for the second week running to the point of handing over a great lead.
Once out of the limelight for a while he can refocus on his game and rebuild his confidence, and then when he returns to the first team he needs to be placed on the outside of Shenton.
That's what I would do with Foster.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"When did you ever stick up for Jamie Foster?
What I'd like to happen is for Jamie to be dropped to the u20s for a while not as a punishment but to protect him from the inordinately hostile attention he receives the minute he makes a mistake which, in turn, knocks his confidence and leads him to making more mistakes. The guy is desperate to do well for Saints and his anxiety is clear to see when he messes up. To top that off he has to deal with rabid halfwit Saints fans getting on his case like he is the sole reason for the team being useless in defence for the second week running to the point of handing over a great lead.
Once out of the limelight for a while he can refocus on his game and rebuild his confidence, and then when he returns to the first team he needs to be placed on the outside of Shenton.
That's what I would do with Foster.'"
I've stuck up for foster many times and last season was saying we need to get him on new deal before union come knocking. That was even he was interested in playing rugby league.
If you read my post correctly you'll see that I said I'd put him in the u20s to rebuild his confidence as at the moment it's shot and I also he needs to get the hunger back.
It's ok saying on twitter every week he's made mistakes and will work on it but if he don't sort it then he's in trouble.
It's pretty obvious he's in the side for his kicking at the moment as his selection can't be based on her performance.
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| Very easy to bag Foster for his efforts, which i agree was average at best after his first mistake but their was other errors just as bad as his, LMS's effort for Castys try was awful and this rubbish from Simmons about resting and rotating, its 4 games into the year how can anyone be tired yet? Lance should of been on much earlier, whats the point of having him sat on the bench for 70 mins? Hows about give Roby a rest before he burns him out.
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| Quote ="Bill_Barlow"Very easy to bag Foster for his efforts, which i agree was average at best after his first mistake but their was other errors just as bad as his, LMS's effort for Castys try was awful and this rubbish from Simmons about resting and rotating, its 4 games into the year how can anyone be tired yet? Lance should of been on much earlier, whats the point of having him sat on the bench for 70 mins? Hows about give Roby a rest before he burns him out.'"
Lance was lucky to get his 8 mins as the back on the bench more often than not don't even get on.
The are a lot of things Royce does which I find strange.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Of course they can.
Saints with Shenton and LMS, Wire with Ratchford. Leeds with Griffin, Catalan with Pryce etc.'"
Unless you have the permision of the club then no you cant,even if a player is coming off contract there is a deadline prior to wich they can not be talked to.
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| On the subjects of leadership and Wheeler I found his midweek comments [ivis a vis[/i James Graham very interesting. Clearly he - and by implication several other players - were not entirely satisfied with Jammer's approach to leadership. Given Saints' complete lack of such last night I wonder whether he now thinks the devil he did know was better than the one he's enjoying now.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"On the subjects of leadership and Wheeler I found his midweek comments [ivis a vis[/i James Graham very interesting. Clearly he - and by implication several other players - were not entirely satisfied with Jammer's approach to leadership. Given Saints' complete lack of such last night I wonder whether he now thinks the devil he did know was better than the one he's enjoying now.'"
Where we're the comments?
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| Quote ="Mugwump"On the subjects of leadership and Wheeler I found his midweek comments [ivis a vis[/i James Graham very interesting. Clearly he - and by implication several other players - were not entirely satisfied with Jammer's approach to leadership. Given Saints' complete lack of such last night I wonder whether he now thinks the devil he did know was better than the one he's enjoying now.'"
What did he say?
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