Wigan are just too structured for me, that's all. Even though Wire lost today - in part due to their woeful defence - I prefer their less structured attacking play, especially when Briers is on the field. Wigan just do the same things every match! And Tomkins invariably does his jinking run. Mind you, without him doing his jinking runs, you wouldn't have won the number of matches you have. Him and Pat Richards must have a hand in most of your tries. It seems that way anyway.

Personal preference, that's all. Warrington at their best beat Wigan at their best hands down for me.

Mate you won't win any arguments on here from the Saints myopia association. I am with you - Wigan were awesome today and are a very very effective side. They are tough and effective in every aspect of the game and even as a Saints fan, but more so a fan of RL when it's played well, I take my hat off to them. Well coached, good players and an ethic that works.

Any team will have their work cut out to stop them winning the lot this year. If they win it in the manner they displayed today they'll deserve it.

Totally agree!

Wane got some big shoes to fill.

Translation: I feel deeply inadequate.

Will you can be decent and excellent but unsuccessful, a good example being Saints who have an excellent side that has played decent rugby but hasnt won anything this last few years.

Looking at Wire
King is going at the end of the season, Briers, Hodgson and Morley will soon be picking up a pension.
Michael Monaghan and Gareth Carvell are also the wrong side of 30 as is Mickey Higham
Thats pretty much the core of your side gone within 2 -3 years.

Do you have the depth and quality of youngsters coming through that can slot in, as has been shown at Wigan and Saints?

Even by your usual pathetic standards that's a ridiculously immature response. Grow up.

I have a lot of friends who are Wire fans and have had the same debate with them. They are good to watch this year but I feel if they are gonna win SL they have to do it this year. Their squad is ageing and their coach doesn't have a habit of hanging around long term.

Another pathetic response.

Yeah. I have said it earlier many times - really good coaches change a side's performance quickly and with longevity. Bennett with St George, Smith at Warrington and Maguire at Wigan (not that either of them compare to Bennett but it makes the point). Wigan will miss him - he's excellent and I'll be interested to see how they go next year.

Wish we'd found him or one like him.

Saintsfan is correct in the fact that Wigan dont play much off the cuff rugby but what they do play is well drilled rugby that's very effective.

In attack, their runners creates options which defences struggle to deal with which all comes from good coaching and lots of hard work and practice.

Wigan are a very well coached team both in attack and in defence which is a credit to their coach.

Spot on, we do play a few structured attacks and even the Wigan fans know which attack is for which side. But you try and stop it! we did the same play for Liams match winning try against you at the DW as we have all season and you could not stop it, We did it today! We did our left field attack at least 3 times today and Wire struggled with it every time.

I've never denied its effectiveness. It's just so predictable to watch. Predictable equates to boring in my book of personal preferences. And we haven't even touched on their three man in tackling technique (which does have the bonus of knackering them, leaving a window of opportunity for the teams who are awake).

Are Wigan the only team to use three tacklers?

She's been banned from the other forum.......don't know why you continue to tolerate her on here..............

Wigan's major weakness appears to be their habit of getting a 20 odd point lead and then going to sleep. Is it to do with their extra work in the tackle tiring them out? Hasn't cost the dear yet but may come back to bite them. Sadly the saints players on twitter yesterday were saying game over at 22 -0, whatever happened to their never say die attitude? Joynt must be turning in his grave

To be fair, it was not Saints facing that lead. It's one thing to think you can't do it, to thinking they can't do it.

We are a broad church.

Ever heard the phrase, I can not agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it.

She is hardly saying anything that goes against the rules of the forum, she is just saying Wigan are predictable and boring. She maybe wrong but there are no rules for being wrong, and being wrong is a matter of opinion not straight fact in this case.

However it is quite easy to make the arguement that what Roby does is predictable, does not mean it's easy to stop. Just as what Tomkins does is predictable but not easy to stop.

Neither would I say predictable is boring. But each to their own.

i might not always agree with saints fan, but she has as much right to contribute to this site as any saints fan and more right than fans of other teams.it is afterall a saints fans site first and foremost.

It's not a question of what you say, it's often a cse of the way in which it is said.

I too fully agree with all being able to contribute; when that comes down to unwarranted insults, childish comments etc, then I have a problem.

Chaqu'un a son gout so they say.........

I though Wire played quite well and would of beat every other super league side but Wigan play in spells when they suffocate you when you have the ball and create gaps when they have it. They control the PTB better than anyside I've seen and that wins them penalties or allows the AHB to get easy yards whilst your blowing out of your backsides trying to get back.
If you can stay in the game after the first 25 mins and try to expose Charnleys poor defence And then win the floor on contact you may have a chance but they are good to watch in defence and attack

Another pathetic response.

It's that predictable that not many teams can stop it, they are current champions, they are top of the league and in the semi of the challenge cup. If that's from playing predictable rugby then all the other coaches and players ain't doing their jobs right.

They might use the same moves but it's the runners that gives them options that's causing the defending team problems.

It's the same With roby, every man and his dog knows he's going to run from acting half and teams will work on trying to stop this but not many can, it's predictable but effective just like wigans play.

In other words my ex sweetie, it works!

I find it strange you say all tomkins does is his jinking run, that's some jinking run that teams can't stop! It's like saying all Paul newlove did was step off his left, all Martin offiah did was run round people etc

Some of warringtons tackling was shocking at times, especially carvel who missed two tackle which lead to Wigan scoring twice.

If Warrington want to be real contenders for the grand final they need handle being under pressure in defence. They fell apart when Wigan put them under pressure.

So. You've come on here with the intention of stirring things up, saying I make childish comments and unwarranted insults and yet you criticise my style of posting and insult me? Hmm. Pot, kettle and black springs to mind.

If you don't like what I post, or the way that I post it, then I'm sure there is an ignore facility on here so I'd suggest you use it. Just a suggestion, like.

The way i see it. It's a Internet forum where anyone is entitled to their views. Saintsfan always comes out with interesting views which results in debates which IMO makes for a better forum. If we all agreed on everything then this would be pretty boring.

Maybe saintsfan is a little biased to saints, certain players abd is very anti Wigan but as long as she's not insulting anyone I don't see a problem at all.

However, I do think sometimes you could be a little bit less harsh in some of your posts, especially over the last few days.

I think the forum is better for having saintfan on here abd certainly wouldn't want her banned.