pryce has too much weight on his shoulders, very bold statement !

pryce was missing in most of our games first half of season. And please don't give me any bull about a court case because i will puke.

Both defenses were well on top on friday, eastmond scored the match winner with a touch of brilliance, good work imo.

That's an utterly ridiculous post.

You appear to be expecting a 20 year old player, who has been given more responsibility than ever before to be playing with a 30 year olds experience.

You show no consideration for the fact that he's probably never played in a game with that intensity before and been expected to be any more than a support player.

He does need to learn how to influence games more consistently, but that is the point, he has to learn, as in he doesn't have the experience to do it yet. To [iexpect[/i him to be able to do that at this point in his career is either indicative of ridiculous, and unreasonable, expectation or a lack of understanding of the nature of sport.

ere ere

Bob on.

Is it any wonder young players fade out when they get expectations like that put on their shoulders.

You get the odd exception Farrell, Sculthorpe, Edwards etc.

Noble has said about Tomkins that he is a very good player but don't put him in the Universe team yet.

Cut these young players some slack, they need time to develop.

I challenge you to go five posts without mentioning his name.

Before calling my post, why not read it? I spoke about consistent [ipresence[/i. I fully acknowledged his skill and decision making, etc, etc, would take time.

having just re read your origianl post.................i come to the same conclusion.

Stevie wonder could tell he was a good player.
The point you make is he spent 75 mins in the shadows, and needs to be pivitol in his position.

Stop trying to be mr.cleverdick and post something either positive or negative and not have a fence post stuck up your backside.

Of course we would like him to be running the show for the full 80, in truth name me a player that has done that every game they have ever played.

The fact is even in another 5 years he wont be running the full 80 in every game, but he will no longer be a "prospect" maybe even then he will have earned your approval!
The interesting thing for me is if the lad keeps it going until longy comes back and gets better, does longy walk straight back into the team?



zip it

If he had the presence of Tomkins on the field, and Tomkins is the same age and with just as much first grade experience, then I wouldn't be saying anything. I just think he needs a more consistent presence. It isn't my fault if you don't know the difference between presence and skills.

whatever

What presence? We only noticed Tomkins because wigan dont have anyone else to give the ball to, and what exactly did tomkins do with the ball, apart from look dangerous in broken play and put a kick through? Eastmond did just as much, even though we had the likes of Pryce and Cunningham to control things. Eastmond, on a few occasions, nearly put one of our players through a gap and would have made a few breaks if it wasnt for some last ditch ankle tackling.

Tomkins wasnt as good in the game as everyone is claiming and i certainly wouldnt swap him for Tomkins, not in a million years

And i challenge about a dozen people on here to read one of RG's posts and not a) bite to one his obviously baited hooks, or b) ignore the fact that he does occasionally post some serious & interesting points and not flip into yet another Saints v Wigan flop contest.

I was saying same thing earlier in the thread!

IMO Kyle has made more of a impact then we thought he would.

Speak for yourself!!

I did do, however you obviously either didn't read mine properly or understand it.

so you don't think Kyle is playing better than YOU thought he would?

Only 20yr old and with only started 6 games has already won a derby in last min, got MOM against wolves, played very well at stoop and not to mention his try and goal record.

I'd thought that pretty good.

It's obvious you don't from you un called for bitchy comment.

I think she was saying Kyle is realising the potential he had, therefore we aren't surprised by it.

I think he's doing as well as I expected him to. Like I said earlier in this thread, his in game kicking still needs some improving (obviously, he's only a relative newbie to the game compared to the majority of his opponents). In my eyes, if he keeps improving at the rate he is, he is going to be a great player in a few years, so long as he gets the support he needs from players like Pryce & Long.

so can you explain the speak for yourself!!! Comment?

Because I can't see why you would say that if you agree that Kyle I'd doing better than expected.

Strange hey

'speak for yourself' meaning, you're presuming that everyone agree's with you. A pet hate of mine.

the "we" was used as saints. Not you!

Also alice, read the threads.

All are saying just how well this kid as done. He is making a impact that is missing few star names also.

It seems it's only you that thinks he not faired better than we thought.

Christ! What more can the young lad do!!!!

I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying.
I'm not saying that he's not doing well, he is, bloody well. He's coping with the pressure that's been put on him in Long's absence. But, the best is yet to come.

errr ok?? So you do agree that he is doing better than WE thought?

Maybe the "speak for yourelf!!!!" comment was made just to make yourself look good. A pet hate of mine.

No, I think he's doing as well as we expected. We knew he was good, and he's proving that to be true. Obviously people have different expectations of players, and for me I expected him to step up to the plate when he got his chance, and he has.
I'd much rather him have a consistant season in being 'good', and continue to improve and develop. Than have him have one season of him being amazing, just for him to drop off in the seasons to come like many players have before.

Eastmond played well. Sam played well. What's the point of arguing who's better at this point, give 'em some time to establish themselves ey? I just hope they can develop into a partnership that can finally give the aussies some problems.