You seem a little obsessed with the u21s. I think Warrington would be more happy with the win by the FIRST team in which one of there u21s got man of the match.

At the end of the day the u21s is on there to feed the first team.

Agree that wire walked it pretty much against leeds, but the amount of times leeds just gave the ball back to wire through errors, they would have struggled against most good sides

I think this game said more about leeds than it did about warrington

I disagree. Some of the moves Warrington came up with were fantastic. Leeds of old would not have been able to handle Warrington much better.

They would.

They'd have had a pack that dominated the Warrington one and backs that wouldn't have been ripped apart as easily.

Although they are missing players, I thought the Leeds defensive intensity wasn't as it has been (bar Sinfield) and they weren't as organised. Then I saw Lowes on their bench and understood why.

Warrington are an interesting case for me, they've steadily improved year on year, and the replacement of Cullen with Smith has been the major factor in that, but so many of their players are 30+. We've lost key players due to age and are coming out of the back end of that, Leeds look as if they are starting to go through it (and the loss of Peacock and Sinfield will possibly be more major for them than Scully, Long and Cunningham for us IMO), but at least we were both very successful over those periods. Warrington have 2 Challenge Cups and whatever they win in the next 2 years before major changes kick in. Morley, Briers, Higham, Clarke, Hodgson, King, Carvell, Monaghan are all 30 plus, with Westwood and Wood not far behind. That's pretty much all their key players who will either be gone or, in reality, no longer good enough for a top club.

I think Wigan and Warrington are a class above at the minute. With us Huddersfield and Leeds behind.

Warrington look very good at the minute but its only just past Round 4 anything can happen yet!

You really rate Leeds and Hudds above us??

Wire looked good, but Leeds didn't stand a cat in hell's chance - they only had one prop.

I rate them on a par with us, yes.

Hudds i would, but Leeds are in for a very tough year

I still think we should be better than Huddersfield..

Its tough, trying not to look at it in a baised way, i think our team is better, but they play better than the some of their parts if that makes any sense?! I dont think there's a team in the league who will be expecting a comfortable win against them

They've got Bailey, Peacock and Leuluai to come back in. They'll be a force.

Hudds are doing what they did last year, they grind down teams.
I think we are a better team than Hudds but they beat us at MM because we didn't look ready, we were flat the week before v Wigan and even to some extent KR in game 2.

I thought they looked very ordinary against Cas though, and I think they're liable to have a good few games like that throughout the year. Top 6 team but I don't think they'll seriously challenge the big 4...

note: KR is technically game 1 but i know what i meant.

who would you class as the big 4?

Wigan, Wire, Saints and Leeds.

Not sure about us and Leeds, tbh. I think our dogs might have had their day and they're now putting their paws up waiting for the pups to learn the tricks.

I'd be very surprised if any side heavily reliant on Lee Briers demonstrated the level of consistency and commitment required to win a SL title.

I think there's just the big 3 at moment in you guys, Wigan and wire..

Are we really so heavily reliant on Briers nowadays??.....Personally, as a Wire fan, I'd worry more about losing Michael Monaghan, than Briers.

Ultimately, the days of us being a one-man team are long, long gone.....One thing Tony Smith has definitely done is drilled Wire into a well organised, confident team, who don't just look to one player for inspiration.

he's been listening to stevo to much as he knows feck all about rugby league... and stevo has been saying that wire will win the league/grand final for so many years now its embarassing(sp)