I dont think anyone hates KC. I certainly don't . He's a legend of the game and in my opinion is still one of the best 9's in the world. He could carry on playing for another 10 years and it will be interesting next year to see how sts cope without him!

The only saints player I hate at the minute is leon pryce! For taking carney out in the 03 grand final!

Great player but can be annoying. I detest his brother more though.

You only don't hate him now because you know his time is coming to an end!



I think we could well struggle without him next year, Moore really needs to step up his game.

I have the feeling Liam Farrell could be one for you all to hate in the future, he's a Wiganer, cousin of the one we lost to the Dark side, looks like he'll be an outstanding prospect and he's a ginner.

What do you mean one for the future. I don't like him now. He is a cocky, sneaky, niggling little thing. Not a bad player mind you. If he carries on he will get the same stick as Joel.

Farrell should be young player of the year.

Sam is just so competative. He gives every last bit of energy in every game and sometimes people can get that side of him all wrong. As a wigan fan who had to sit through game after game during 2005-6 watching goons like vaeliki go through the motions having lads like Sam and Joel Tomkins is just a pleasure.

As for Liam Farrell ive not seen a young player make as easy a transition from u20's to first team as that lad. He is top draw and is just one of those lads that play better the bigger the games are. I think weve found a backrow version of james graham in engine and gingerness terms.

Dislocated little finger is nothing, he's tough little **** but being honest his little finger injury is nothing, every player playing rugby would continue playing with that.

I have a history of dislocating my thumb (ABOUT 5 TIMES SEASON) and the is alot worse injuries that players play with every single week.

He is the milky bar kid

I would absolutely hate Sam Tomkins so much if he played for the opposition.

We're allowed to suspend hatred for international duties, then resume them again when domestic rugby returns.

That's just how it works.

The Aussies/Kiwis will chew him up and spit him out. He just isn't big enough and them yellow boots are just soooo girlie lol

I hope that's trolling, but on the wrong board?
One thing I admire about this lad is he can take a hit, like against Leeds ablett( a big player) absolutely cleaned him out illegally, he just jumped straight back up

Him and his brother remind me of Jedward.

Jamie Foster is of a similar ilk.

It may be a coincidence, but both these player have relatively low muscle mass, when compared to Kyle, gary wheeler, jonny lomax, etc. Who get injured relatively often. Perhaps putting too much muscle on young players is not such a great idea

Not sure Purple Aki would agree?

Thats one thing that works against us as a team



IF Sam had stayed down that day, chances are Ablett would have been sent off there and then but because Sam got straight back up, The Referee (I think it was Ganson) assumed it musnt have been that bad of a challenge when in all honesty, it was one of the most cowardly challenges all year - straight out of Ryan Baileys textbook.

However in no way am I wanting him to start staying down and start pretending he is Didier Drogba or Ronaldo.

Not sure about foster, but Sam has a very simiar build to Roby, who manages to stay fit despite playing a very taxing role physically.

Mind you, Jammer also stay fits well , and I can't think to two plyaers that differ more in terms of build than him and Tomkins.

Jammer = physical freak, you see him around town and he's not particularly big, but what he can do on that pitch defies logic

aye, may put something on his cv your demi-gad will never have

I think Farrell's engine went into overdrive on Friday, 58 tackles.



There's probably some halfbacks who havent made that many tackles this season!

this thread makes me proud to be a fan of rugby league

lets hope eastmond will be fit for the final, and if we get there, we can have a special saints v wigan day out in mancsville