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| I think Gilly's well worth another 12 month contract and I hope he gets one but,as Blobby said,I can see him moving on.
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| i hope gilly stays at saints! vastly under-rated player i.m.o,but if he does go to cass or whoever they will get a top player
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| Quote ="chris_joynt's_barber"i hope gilly stays at saints! vastly under-rated player i.m.o,but if he does go to cass or whoever they will get a top player'"
Couldn't agree more.
One of the best signings in the Superleague era.
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| I hope gilly gets a new deal. IMO a 2 year deal wouldn't be a bad thing as he still very fit and still got his pace.
I think we will have the long situation where gilly will want 2 years but saints will only offer 1.
I agree with the post that says the young back rows are just a tad off being regular 1st team players just yet.
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| I'd be glad to see Gilly given one more year to allow Dixon and Ashurst to develop more before being thrown into week-in, week-out Super League.
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| I would offer him another contract, he is a very underrated player.
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| He also covers a lot of postions if we have players out which he has done very well for saints in his time at saints.
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| I'd prefer to see him at Saints, but the development of Ashurst and company means the shortfall won't be great. And if the money saved allows us room under the cap to buy a prop I say go for it.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"I'd prefer to see him at Saints, but the development of Ashurst and company means the shortfall won't be great. And if the money saved allows us room under the cap to buy a prop I say go for it.'"
With the players we have lost last year and longy going next year I would say we are well under the cap.
Longy,scully and cayless was prob 3 top earners at saints.
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| Well worth another year. I think we all see what he does, in attack and defence and yet he hardly ever gets the chants or songs from us. Agreed that he has been a terrific signing and he deserves another year, on his ability and performances, not sentimentality.
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| defo another deal for gilly, our best one on one defender, always turtles the opposition, still one of the fastest at the club, rearly caught out of position, great at finishing tries and his back up game still up there with the best, gilly has been one of our best signings in super league era
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| It would worry me to see too much experience leave in one fell swoop. Added to the fact that he's playing as well as ever means I'd give him at least 12 months.
Whether he'd accept that or not is another matter...
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"It would worry me to see too much experience leave in one fell swoop. Added to the fact that he's playing as well as ever means I'd give him at least 12 months.
Whether he'd accept that or not is another matter...'"
I think he'd accept another 12 months with an option of a further year after that myself.
I agree with the sentiments of most here, he's an experienced head, works as hard as anyone else on the team, has a good turn of pace and seems to be a great example to all of the youngsters looking to replace him. I sometimes forget he's only been playing here since 2004!!!
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"I think he'd accept another 12 months with an option of a further year after that myself.
I agree with the sentiments of most here, he's an experienced head, works as hard as anyone else on the team, has a good turn of pace and seems to be a great example to all of the youngsters looking to replace him. I sometimes forget he's only been playing here since 2004!!!'"
I also seem to remember a few people being a touch dismissive when we signed him.
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| i wouldn't be upset to see him go, but i wouldn't be upset if we offered him a new deal, he is a good, underrated player, but we have lots of backrowers and more coming through
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| He can go.
We have players in abundance at second row or people who can cover that position. Ashurst and Dixon can play more next year.
He is expendable and will free up cap room.
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"I also seem to remember a few people being a touch dismissive when we signed him.'"
This is true and something that concerns me these days with regards to many of our fans' attitudes towards signing other superleague players. It seems like to many fans if they play in the superleague but not at Saints they aren't good enough to pull on a redvee.
I seem to remember similar dismissiveness towards Pryce's signing (although this may have had as much to do with something else).
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"This is true and something that concerns me these days with regards to many of our fans' attitudes towards signing other superleague players. It seems like to many fans if they play in the superleague but not at Saints they aren't good enough to pull on a redvee.
I seem to remember similar dismissiveness towards Pryce's signing (although this may have had as much to do with something else).'"
I for one thought paul anderson was too old
I've learnt my lesson
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"I for one thought paul anderson was too old
I've learnt my lesson'"
Ditto
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| Quote ="Billinge_Lump"Ditto
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we had his best 2 yrs IMO, DA thought he could easily do 1 more as well.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"He can go.
We have players in abundance at second row or people who can cover that position. Ashurst and Dixon can play more next year.
He is expendable and will free up cap room.'"
Fair comment but just to play devils advocate ... its all well and good us freeing loads of cap space but who/what are we freeing it for?
1. We're covered in most positions other than prop.
2. Most of the kids have already negotiated new contracts this year so their salaries should be set for next season.
3. We are already losing, at least one if not two or three of our highest wage earners in Long, Cayless and KC.
4. We are allegedly spending under the cap this year.
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"Fair comment but just to play devils advocate
... its all well and good us freeing loads of cap space but who/what are we freeing it for?
1. We're covered in most positions other than prop.
2. Most of the kids have already negotiated new contracts this year so their salaries should be set for next season.
3. We are already losing, at least one if not two or three of our highest wage earners in Long, Cayless and KC.
4. We are allegedly spending under the cap this year.'"
Exactly, there is no point going out of our way to make room on the cap if no-one is available to bring in. We already have a very weak squad, IMO, and letting Gilmour leave will only make it weaker.
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| Quote ="saint billy"Exactly, there is no point going out of our way to make room on the cap if no-one is available to bring in. We already have a very weak squad, IMO, and letting Gilmour leave will only make it weaker.'"
I'm not sure i agree that our squad is weak as such, unless you just mean inexperienced. Unfortunately this is something we have to take a chance with, alongside most teams in superleague over the next few years with the rule changes. I think we have made a good headstart in that respect over most others.
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"Fair comment but just to play devils advocate
... its all well and good us freeing loads of cap space but who/what are we freeing it for?
1. We're covered in most positions other than prop.
2. Most of the kids have already negotiated new contracts this year so their salaries should be set for next season.
3. We are already losing, at least one if not two or three of our highest wage earners in Long, Cayless and KC.
4. We are allegedly spending under the cap this year.'"
Freeing cap space is just the bonus.
When you look at the player who can play second row we have:
Wilkin
Clough
Puletua
Flannery
Dixon
Ashurst
Magennis?
Soliola
Gilmour is good, but i think easily replaceable. Ashurst, who IMO has been our best young player, should step up and replace Gilly long term with a starting back row next year of Wilkin, Flannery, Clough while intergrating Ashurst and Dixon occasionally.
On the opposite of your point, Why spend money on the cap when it isn't needed?
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"I'm not sure i agree that our squad is weak as such, unless you just mean inexperienced. Unfortunately this is something we have to take a chance with, alongside most teams in superleague over the next few years with the rule changes. I think we have made a good headstart in that respect over most others.'"
before the season started i was very worried about the depth of our squad, but the young'uns have come on better than we could've hoped and filled the void and are challenging the senior players for 1st team places, making them work harder, which is all good
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