seen the odd post or two r.e.Alan Prescott [Brisbane fame & a young Steve Prescott image.What about nominating Steve he has been with 3 clubs in his playing days.There would be no local bias as to "well he played for them".Also he does & is doing an awful lot of charity work with his illness.We are also nominating him to carry the Olyimpic torch so why not the Wembley vote.At the mo cannot think of anyone else doing that amount of charity work.

Offiah/Fox.

Vote Offiah/Fox.

Offiah and his background with union? and I presume you mean one Fox brother than missed a conversion at Wembley which seemed a sitter! except for the wet pitch, also I am unsure about Steve Prescott even though we know he is doing a lot of charity work, it has got to be someone with some real Rugby League history that people will recognise in sport and not just RL.

Why? It's about rugby league not individual players.

Vote Offiah/Fox.

1) Why?
2) Such as...

Sorry for the interrogation style short questions, just the simplest way of asking.

Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein!

Here's the two pics that could form the basis of Offiah/Fox.

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Imagine those two iconic images back-to-back on the same podium. It would be incredible. Tell me of another sporting statue that you know of that exemplifies the drama and entertainment of its sport. I can't think of one because usually their just boring portrait statues. It's also a bridge between the old part-time RL and the foundations of the professional era. It's absolutely perfect and whoever thought of the idea first should be applauded. Bravo!

As it a statue to mark our game of RUGBY LEAGUE then someone who has played an important part in our game, Great Britain Player & Captain, Lance Todd Winner or someone a Winner at Wembley.

No Problem it being a trio of players but Offiah is as well known as a union player and Fox for missing a goal at Wembley so being a loser?

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I have posted this in response a few times to people who have said that Fox shouldn't be part of the statue because "He's a loser",

[iYou are missing the point about choosing Fox. We are talking of a statue, which is by definition a work of art, here to commemorate the sport and its relationship to Wembley. Art does not always have to just acknowledge who won so it stands to reason that one of the most incredible sporting moments in the history of world sport should be a contender for the statue (how many people see the event does not make this claim any less credible).

If Fox's pose was commissioned (and I may have talked myself into saying it is now my first choice) then what better moment to capture exactly what rugby league is about and I don't just mean with Wembley either. Rugby league is about heroes, magic, flair, and physical/mental commitment of the highest order. However, most of all rugby league is about drama. Drama on the pitch every week unlike any other professional team sport in the world. Our sport creates so much drama that we call it entertainment because it is both. When Fox missed that kick it was dramatic but it was also the exact entertainment that gets me, you and everybody else going back for more week after week after week. If it wasn't we'd have stopped watching long ago.[/i

If you add Offiah onto the other side of the statue it's perfect because the Offiah image feeds on the same kind of raw emotion that losing does.

Vote Offiah/Fox.

No I mean literally why does it [uhave[/u to be a specific person, rather than something that [urepresents[/u the sport in general and its association with Wembley. And also why it has to be someone that is recognised in the wider world of sport when in reality the majority of people who will see it won't know any of the sports historic figures other than 'recent era' players or any of the iconic images that have been mentioned so far. Lets be honest the majority of Rugby League figures that get regular national exposure outside of the SL matches shown on sky, are those now associated with Rugby Union or are twonks like Stevo and Offiah.

You inbreds certainly come out on top in the Bitter/jealous stakes. Wind your old neck in and go try and convince another board Edwards was anything but average.

And as somebody else said, Offiah/Fox represents both sides of the Pennines too. Win win as they say

As suggested on another board, assuming there is a likeness of him somewhere, what about the captain of the first ever Challenge Cup winners lifting the trophy?

McClennan, I applaud the idea and you do put it very eloquently. However, it wouldn't be a conventional example of the great (if slightly cliched) elation and misery statue.

This isn't winner and loser in juxtoposition. This is a man who fluffed his line on the biggest stage and he was haunted with it throughout the rest of his life, against victor.

I would be all in favour of having an example of hard fought victory and hard fought loss. This idea just doesn't feel right to me. I don't think anyone but a Leeds fan at the time has enjoyed seeing that and it really shouldn't be celebrated in statue. It is not typical of the sport (in a bad way). A wonder try being celebrated or a rousing performance; yes. But I know I wouldn't feel pride explaining it to someone.

I would much prefer an icon of the sport (a faceless player with a number 13, a challenge cup) or a group of players throughout the ages.

It feels

Yeah a moment that ruined a man immortalised, i know you're pushing this Mac but it's so cliched it's sickening. Besides, what's Offiah done for the game since leaving it? The more this discussion goes on the more i'm thinking it should be some iconic generic image, rather than a player.

...bland and devoid of any emotion like any other sporting facsimile?

No he isn't.

Can we clarify this for the historians! is that the Offiah never played union? or that Fox never missed a goal at Wembley LOL!

This is a subject very few will agree about perhaps it should just be a statue of A player or players and no one person?

Utter nonsense.

Love it Mc, that would be awesome.

Those speaking about Fox as a "loser" are missing the point. It's about the drama of RL at Wembley, and those two images are as iconic as it gets in that respect.

Send an email to the RFL.

Martin Offiah born in London, attended Woolverstone Hall School near Ipswich, Suffolk, where he represented the school at fencing and played rugby and cricket. Martin played cricket for Essex 2nd XI but soon realised his main talent was for rugby union. At club level, he first played rugby union for Rosslyn Park and after starring on the Sevens circuit and for the Barbarians, there was talk of an England future

Many will claim him to be a good Union Boy always as much as Ashton will always be thought of as a League player.

That is your Opinion! but ask anyone at Rosslyn Park Rugby Union Club and The Barbarians Rugby Unions Sevens, which is seen as an honour in their game, what was Billy Whizz a League or union player, I say Both.

Hardly the same as 'being known' for being a RU player.

His legacy is in RL, without question. Took up the game at 21 / 22, and remained in it.

Who thinks of Ashton as a RL player? At best he's thought of as 'one that could have been' but he achieved nothing of note in RL, left as a 'good prospect' (much like Offiah in RL) and will rightly be remembered as a Union player (as Offiah will rightly be remembered as a RL player).

It is going to be a difficult decision, not many are going to agree taking in all different clubs, it is not a matter of life or death, something which will divide and at the end of the day we will accept the choice.

A lot of Saints fans who do not use this board ask me why Alex Murphy is not being pushed? he is well known or perhaps we should consider Eddie Waring, he kept the game going in the second world war and became Mr Rugby League! even if the BBC kept him going for far too long at the end of his career as they do.

I still think it may be best for it to be three rugby league players and no specific players.