Can you definitively say Saints wouldn't of gone left if Williams hadn't of been in that position? No? Involved then. We've been stung by the exact same logic recently.

I don,t think it really matters offside is offside, ALL players except the marker have to be inline with the referee at the play the ball and not 4 or 5 metres in front.

You should have done, he would have had to let you go past him or get penalised

Who gives a ? You carry on dissecting your hollow victory against the current champions of the country, we'll see you later in the season when we aren't decimated by injury upon injury.

Roby/ Cunningham running at offside players has never been as penalised as it should. In fact looking at the photo again, Williams moves up too quickly to protect an overlap and should of been penalised regardless. Anyway as said, moving on

That's not the way it has been officiated, at least for the last 15 years I've been watching. What happens when there is a break? Do we automatically penalise the defensive team for offside off the next ptb when their props are inevitably still working their way back? It would kill the game if the officials were overzealous like this.

Well The Chief obviously does or he wouldn't have posted the picture. I only came on here to see it because FeartheVee posted in on our board. Agreed it will be a different game next time hopefully with better weather and your first choice halves playing, touch wood we'll have Charnley, Flower, O'Loughlin and Powell back in action too.

In that scenario the props are on the wrong side of the ball and deemed out of play, historically Cunningham would run into them as they were joining the correct side of the ball, this brought them back into play and off side.
Williams was on the correct side of the ball and by the rules of the game....offside.

The issue for that try was Lance's poor choice to pass. He was in a far better position to kick than Turner, he should have taken the responsibility on himself instead of passing it to Turner who was under pressure. If he took the kick, even if he did a poor kick, we wouldn't have conceded.

Wigan in video replay inaction "special dispensation" shocker? It's inconceivable

Having Walsh and Burns back is no use if you can't defend! Anyone in SL except Leeds?

And you say only wigan fans think everything is AWESOME! It's not Burns and Walsh that are key to your play. If you lose Roby and Walmsley you will be right in the smelly stuff. Mose 6 carries in a match for 22 metres, that is pathetic. I know you didn't have Greenwood and Vea but who else is missing from your forwards? Mose last night by the look of it.

Enjoy your moment. We are all over the shop the last couple of weeks, I admit. It's a long season though.

Even other teams fans can see what a utterly useless player Mose is. He's an embarrassment to the club.

I've seen more aggression from Mr Tumble.

If I was playing saints, Id be happy for mose to play as he's effectively a player down.

He's a fat, lazy shambolic waste of space mate.

I've said this from day one. I've said it when we've won and when we've lost. My view on him isn't because we losing every week, I've been consistent with my opinion on him.

He's had such a easy time off saints fans but you can hear the chsnge at the games now. It's only took a season and half for some to realise it.

At the Derby the Saints end were chanting his name like he was some sort of hero! Make your minds up.

And you lot was cheering the hero Ben flower that cost you the grand final. He got sent off which cost you a easy 40 point victory.

No, only 30

What a pathetic bunch of glory-hunters you lot are.

I thought I could be hard on the club. But you people take reactionary zeal to a new and completely insufferable level.

And it's [uALWAYS THE SAME NAMES[/u.

This is nothing to do with intelligence because as dense as many of you lot are I'd still expect you to realise you've been in precisely the same position before - last season (when once again you were crying like yo momma had just striped your cowardly behinds) - and yet, magically, ended up champions. Fancy that!

The rib-snapping comedy watching [uTHE SAME NAMES[/u who'd written Saints off ten weeks earlier coughing and spluttering and choking as they desperately attempted to rationalise their own pronunciations of DOOM in the context of TROPHY-LIFTING-REALITY is something I shall never grow tired of.

I mean, there we were - a week after one of the greatest victories in the club's history and [uTHE SAME NAMES[/u were effectively saying "We were lucky".

What hope is there for fans who can't even bring themselves to acknowledge one of Saints' greatest achievements and instead would rather talk about "luck"?

[uDo us all a favour and put on the =#FF0040Cherry & =#FF0040White.[/u

Name the names you refer to and then back your claims up with the "we was lucky" comment.

Why? Got a guilty conscience?

Nope Ive never said we was lucky so I'm out the running. You like to prove stuff with utter garbage stats so name and shame and prove it.

I admire you love of the club but your so blinded by all things saints it's untrue. I love saints and go virtually every single game home and away, I stay to the end no matter what but I don't let the truth blind me like you.

You say we have the best pack in super league and we have good backs, so why have we played so poor this year? Other than the Warrington and salford game, we have plsyed poor.

We're second. Half our team has either been out or playing injured or returning from injury.

Go figure.