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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"I don't want to comment on this too much but as I've said before there's a reason Gaskell was dropped. I hope he finds a good career for himself at another club in Super League, whether that be Salford, Wigan, Hull or the likes but it won't be at St Helens.'"
Do you know or are you speculating? It seems like something must have happened to go from first choice to behind kids and old fullbacks, it's just too much of a slide.
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| I would bring him to wigan in a flash?.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Last two coaches, not three. Simmons played him; gave him his debut season (albeit not a full season). Rush dropped him the minute he took over and Brown came out with some BS about him being a key man in the team, gave him all of three games and then dropped him. I think Rush is the common denominator here. And yes, I do think he has been treated shoddily. He wasn't even given the chance to play alongside someone with some experience in Wilkin. He certainly hasn't been given the investment or opportunity that Lomax has.
And you may have noticed that in recent times when players are loaned out to Salford, we don't see them under contract at Saints again.'" I'm suprised we haven't seen him over the past month or so and would personally prefer to have him at 6 than Hohaia, but I'm not convinced by your argument that Rush's opinions are dictating to Brown.
Its a shame, but I can only assume that the deciding factor is something that we, as fans, are not privvie to.
Good luck with your career, Lee.
The highlights of salford - hudds are on the SL website. Gaskell's try is a screamer, great break and good pace to take the full back on the outside. To be fair though, he's badly positioned for a miss on Ferres shortly after for a try and appears to get steamrollered by Crabtree (not exactly the most heinous of crimes, mind) in the build up to another. Mixed bag, but he'll only get better with weekly first team action.
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| Lee Gaskell is not and never will be Saints standard hence he is now at Salford not Leeds. Awful player as for Howarth he is here as cover
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| Quote ="Loz"Lee Gaskell is not and never will be Saints standard hence he is now at Salford not Leeds. Awful player as for Howarth he is here as cover'"
Awful player?
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| Gaskell had a massive bust up wit Saints over his contract, i do not know the ins and outs but he was basically told he was get a wage increase and when that time came, he never! Therfore he is refusing to sign a new deal.
His future with Saints is over.
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| Quote ="One eyed monster"Gaskell had a massive bust up wit Saints over his contract, i do not know the ins and outs but he was basically told he was get a wage increase and when that time came, he never! Therfore he is refusing to sign a new deal.
His future with Saints is over.'"
He was offered about £12,000 a year ( will double check with my source for accuracy). Not surprised he turned it down.
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| Quote ="Top Saint"He was offered about £12,000 a year ( will double check with my source for accuracy). Not surprised he turned it down.'"
A £12,000 raise or £12,000 annual salary?
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| Quote ="Offside Monkey"A £12,000 raise or £12,000 annual salary?'"
Salary. As I said I will double check for accuracy. I could have misunderstood as I was told in a noisy pub.
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| Quote ="Top Saint"He was offered about £12,000 a year ( will double check with my source for accuracy). Not surprised he turned it down.'"
If that's true then it's shocking.
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| Quote ="Top Saint"He was offered about £12,000 a year ( will double check with my source for accuracy). Not surprised he turned it down.'"
LOL, what nonsense. That's basically minimum wage!
I don't believe that for a moment. £12k raise maybe, £12k salary surely not.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"LOL, what nonsense. That's basically minimum wage!
I don't believe that for a moment. £12k raise maybe, £12k salary surely not.'"
As I said, I was told in a noisy pub and could have misunderstood. I was shocked at the sum mentioned, but academy players contracts are only in low single figure thousands. The offer could just reflect the fact he is not rated by the coaching staff. I will ask the question and get back to you all.
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| That figure wouldn't surprise me. A few years ago a friend of my sons who had come through the academy ranks started getting a regular first team place at Wigan. He was on just over £8K
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"That figure wouldn't surprise me. A few years ago a friend of my sons who had come through the academy ranks started getting a regular first team place at Wigan. He was on just over £8K'"
Gaskell has been about the squad for three years though. I can't see it.
Maybe I'm just completely out of touch with what these young lads earn, but it seems ludicrously low for someone who already signed a new 3 year deal in 2011 at a time he was very highly rated.
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| i think with a bit more coaching he has the potential to become an excellent player,he has got a little bit extra to his game,if saints don't fancy him he won't be short of clubs willing to take him on.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Gaskell has been about the squad for three years though. I can't see it.
Maybe I'm just completely out of touch with what these young lads earn, but it seems ludicrously low for someone who already signed a new 3 year deal in 2011 at a time he was very highly rated.'"
indeed. in 2011, there would have been a queue of clubs lining up to pay him more than £12,000 a season. If true, he needs a new agent.
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| The 2 and the 1 are the wrong way round. Still not mega bucks though
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| Quote ="Donkey OTay"The 2 and the 1 are the wrong way round. Still not mega bucks though'"
Not what I was told, although He could have meant rise and I have misheard him. I should see him at the weekend so I will clarify.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"LOL, what nonsense. That's basically minimum wage!
I don't believe that for a moment. £12k raise maybe, £12k salary surely not.'"
Gardner just before he got international caps was only on around £30k, so that figure wouldn't overly surprise me given the stage Gaskell is at in his career.
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Interesting blog written by Jon Wilkin in the Liverpool echo:
Quote I’m an admirer of Lee’s talent and we’ve seen him play well in important games for us in the past.
And I see absolutely no reason why he can’t go on from here and really make his mark in rugby league.
Perhaps the area Lee needs to improve in is fully adapting to the demands of being a full-time professional rugby league player.
As well as having natural talent – which he’s got in abundance – it’s also about knuck- ling down in terms of preparation to get the best out of yourself.'"
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/ru ... -33106553/
Does anyone else find it odd that his blog post is purely about Gaskell and isn't it peculiar as to how carefully it's worded? Wonder if the club has had any input?
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Interesting blog written by Jon Wilkin in the Liverpool echo:
Quote I’m an admirer of Lee’s talent and we’ve seen him play well in important games for us in the past.
And I see absolutely no reason why he can’t go on from here and really make his mark in rugby league.
Perhaps the area Lee needs to improve in is fully adapting to the demands of being a full-time professional rugby league player.
As well as having natural talent – which he’s got in abundance – it’s also about knuck- ling down in terms of preparation to get the best out of yourself.'"
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/ru ... -33106553/
Does anyone else find it odd that his blog post is purely about Gaskell and isn't it peculiar as to how carefully it's worded? Wonder if the club has had any input?
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Quote ="Albion"Interesting blog written by Jon Wilkin in the Liverpool echo:
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/ru ... -33106553/
Does anyone else find it odd that his blog post is purely about Gaskell and isn't it peculiar as to how carefully it's worded? Wonder if the club has had any input?'"
Not really. Wilkin is one of the most articulate players in the game and isn't afraid of sharing his opinions. He's also clearly one of the more experienced players and if anything it's probably a parting dig at Lee, a 'told you so' goodbye. Of course he's clever enough to word it in a seemingly positive way.
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Quote ="Albion"Interesting blog written by Jon Wilkin in the Liverpool echo:
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/ru ... -33106553/
Does anyone else find it odd that his blog post is purely about Gaskell and isn't it peculiar as to how carefully it's worded? Wonder if the club has had any input?'"
Not really. Wilkin is one of the most articulate players in the game and isn't afraid of sharing his opinions. He's also clearly one of the more experienced players and if anything it's probably a parting dig at Lee, a 'told you so' goodbye. Of course he's clever enough to word it in a seemingly positive way.
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| I reckon Mike Rush told him to say it, it's got to be his fault.
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| Quote ="Albion"Does anyone else find it odd that his blog post is purely about Gaskell and isn't it peculiar as to how carefully it's worded? Wonder if the club has had any input?'"
Jon Wilkin often addresses issues that have raised concern among fans. It appears to be one of his off field roles, probably because he is media savvy with good contacts in the business. I saw this article and it reads to me that Gaskell isn't coping too well. It will read to others that he has an attitude problem. How it is interpreted will no doubt be coloured by the reader's degree of sympathy towards Gaskell. That it can be interpreted in a number of ways says a lot about Wilkin's communication skill.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"I reckon Mike Rush told him to say it, it's got to be his fault.'"
I think it's Francis Meli's fault.
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| Quote ="Dux"I think it's Francis Meli's fault.'"
So's the situation in North Korea!
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